Overpowered Ghillies ? Your Thoughts

[clumpyedge]

Played Saturday afternoon and the armbands used for the teams were either neon orange or neon green, everyone can agree these'll give away your position  regardless of what color you are.

Now the ghillie on the other team had decided to put his on his ankle where it's barely visible due to his trousers covering it, even when marshals told him to put it on his arm... he didnt.

Is it fair to allow this? i get your going for utmost stealth but surely this is taking the piss a bit 

what are your thoughts on all these walking bushes that are gaining popularity exponentially these last few years? thanks to the youtube sensations no doubt. 

Was this at battlelakes per chance?

 

[Cannonfodder]

Sounds to me like the problem was the flesh coloured squishy bit, rather than the use of arm bands. 

As others have posted, good field craft is far more effective than whatever camo you're wearing 

 

[Tommikka]

Yeah found him in 1min lol ?

Very good though

Regards 

A thing with all of these types of examples are you know that you are looking for someone in that picture, and you get to have a good detailed scan.  Some may actually think they have seen him straight away and later see the real person.

There’s rarely scale or context - for example this one is ‘bloke has a look for a moment’ as opposed to ‘hidden observation post’.   
 

 

[Skara]

Sniping is 95% using your brain, 5% pulling the trigger.

Ghillies help but they're not indispensable, there are much more important skills to master first (proper movement and fieldcraft).

With those two skills, having a bright neon pink band on your arm becomes irrelevant because you are aware of it and know how to conceal it from the enemy (without resorting to borderline cheating like wrapping it around the ankle/gear).

 

[Tommikka]

Sniping is 95% using your brain, 5% pulling the trigger.

Ghillies help but they're not indispensable, there are much more important skills to master first (proper movement and fieldcraft).

With those two skills, having a bright neon pink band on your arm becomes irrelevant because you are aware of it and know how to conceal it from the enemy (without resorting to borderline cheating like wrapping it around the ankle/gear).

And true sniping is nothing to do with the trigger - it’s the fieldcraft that makes a sniper

 

[Samurai]

The armband can give away a sniper's position, but if that's the rule then everyone must stick to it. It makes our task harder, but not impossible. If the rules are too much to follow then don't play in ghillie or don't play there at all.

Automatic HPA ghillie players should be burned with fire though.

 

[EvilMonkee]

Absolutely cheating as he broke the number 1 rule of airsoft.  Don't be a cunt.

 

[CrackCommandoUnit1972]

Absolutely cheating as he broke the number 1 rule of airsoft.  Don't be a cunt.

That should really just be the number one rule.

Yeah found him in 1min lol ?

Very good though

Regards 

This guy has been hiding in your fridge for the last two weeks, disguised as an old piece of cheese.

 

[Shamal]

That should really just be the number one rule.

This guy has been hiding in your fridge for the last two weeks, disguised as an old piece of cheese.

Dammit! You have looked in my fridge!!!

Lol

Regards 

 

[rj1986]

This guy has been hiding in your fridge for the last two weeks, disguised as an old piece of cheese.

That's a lie - like a piece of cheese would be in my fridge for longer than 3 days

 

[Skara]

That's a lie - like a piece of cheese would be in my fridge for longer than 3 days

depends on the cheese tho.

 

[Druid799]

If your arm band can give your position away when sniping then quite frankly your shit at being a sniper ! what your wearing has rock all to do with it it’s ALL about your position and your movement(or more appropriately lack of movement !) thats important , we’ve all been to a gameday where you’ve seen some nobber running around the site in a full wookie suit like a demented loon with his arse on fire but most didn’t see the guy in the red check shirt and blue jeans who was using proper field craft to maintain his position . 
Far too many think being a sniper is Get dropped off somewhere , crawl forward 100-150ft As quick as you can , shoot the target , crawl back out of sight get picked up then home for tea and medals ala CoD !
when in-fact the reality Is tabbing in to a location for hrs and hrs , then crawling forward very very slowly for a good couple of hundred yards if not further laying in the same spot for a couple of days ,  pissing in a bottle , shitting in a ziploc bag , getting pissed on by the local farm stock then getting an abort signal and repeating the whole thing in revers !?‍

It’s no different at a gameday(just dramatically scaled back) if your field craft is good you can be a sniper , but if it’s not then your just another nobber who thinks he’s the ultimate ‘one shot one hit’ stone cold killa ! ??

 

[Davegolf]

But surely I can stand in plain sight with my ghillie and be invisible!? Right? ?
 

The armband can give away a sniper's position, but if that's the rule then everyone must stick to it. It makes our task harder, but not impossible. If the rules are too much to follow then don't play in ghillie or don't play there at all.

Automatic HPA ghillie players should be burned with fire though.

Yeh should be a rule on ghillies only allowed if you’re running bolty or pistol

 

[Druid799]

The armband can give away a sniper's position 

Mr Samurai’s comment here goes back to my point , if an arm band can give away your position then you really don’t have a clue about field craft do you ? Odds are your going to be spotted soon enough wether you’ve a dayglow armband or not ? 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Mr Samurai’s comment here goes back to my point , if an arm band can give away your position then you really don’t have a clue about field craft do you ? Odds are your going to be spotted soon enough wether you’ve a dayglow armband or not ? 

I think the argument tends to be that it makes it much more difficult.

Not impossible to overcome with skill, but more difficult, and in fairness the majority of airsofters likely dont have fieldcraft training.

 

[Druid799]

I think the argument tends to be that it makes it much more difficult.

Not impossible to overcome with skill, but more difficult, and in fairness the majority of airsofters likely dont have fieldcraft training.

Both fair points BUT fieldcraft and concealment isn’t exactly a ‘dark art’ really ? Had a quick attack of google foo and I found loads of stuff on the net about it , plus simple common sense says if your wearing a dark gillie suit and your running around the site , lay down on some bleached out grass or next to a building people are going to see you ? all you need is a bit of heavier cover , little bit of a wiggle in under it and boom your invisible to 90% of the players on the field ! ? so many players just aren’t even remotely observant but unfortunately this usable advantage is cancelled out by an equal amount of players who seem to be unable to think out of the box when it comes to placing them selves in a good position on the field . Ultimately I think it comes down to rules are there for a reason , and if you think a rule is putting you at a disadvantage then step up your game and make your self a better player so you negate the perceived disadvantage ? 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I suppose it is a fair point that the rules are there for a reason.

I guess maybe unlike say running hot or not hit calling this sort of thing seems less egregious, but i can see the sentiment particularly when a site is doing non armbands versus armbands.

I know i'm as guilty, half the time i'm not even bothering with a camo jacket any more just green/grey jumper, but my stealth tactics tend to be based on shooting people in the back.

 

[Druid799]

[SIZE=12.6px]half the time i'm not even bothering with a camo jacket any more just green/grey jumper, but my stealth tactics tend to be based on shooting people in the back.[/SIZE]

Sounds perfectly fair AND acceptable to me ! ????

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Sounds perfectly fair AND acceptable to me ! ????

It seems to work so far.

Only downside is having about 30s before the guy you just shot respawns behind you

 

[JackHG]

I had the same thought this Sunday gone, playing in dense woodland most of the time you spot the enemies by seeing their neon coloured armbands moving though bushes and branches, I can say with  certainty I spotted a lot of my victims this way.

However it seems, by virtue of having spent £40 on a bush-esque overall, ghillie snipers are allowed to instead wear a single band around the ankle... does this mean the camo uniform I wear is considered a lesser camouflage and therefore less deserving of being able to actually help camouflage me? 

What really took the cake was the HPA sporting "ghillie" who, because he had decided to wear a bush as trousers that day, was also doing the "wear a single band around my ankle that is suspiciously covered by my baggy ghillie" despite the fact he wasn't really filling a snipers role, which basically meant he was harder to spot in bushes ect due to the lack of neon. 

The next time I go I think I'm going to just stick a bit of my teams tape on my back and call it s day, if that's not acceptable for some reason ill zip tie some leaves on to my wrists and call it a ghillie so I get the handicap these bushwookies obviously need.