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Optimising standard aeg?
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Austeyr
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As long as the parts you use all mesh well together, then the likelihood of it improving performance is favourable. However, your questions are extremely vague...
What is currently "wrong" or dissatisfactory with your RIF, what do you want it to do that it currently doesn't? How much are you looking to spend? Are you taking it to a tech to do or doing it yourself?
There's a lot of factors that need to be answered before you can get any sort of viable help
What is currently "wrong" or dissatisfactory with your RIF, what do you want it to do that it currently doesn't? How much are you looking to spend? Are you taking it to a tech to do or doing it yourself?
There's a lot of factors that need to be answered before you can get any sort of viable help
I suppose the first question is what don't you like about the way it currently shoots?
In my small collection I have 2 of the same gun one has been upgraded, one is standard.
The upgraded gun has
Extended tightbore barrel (covered by a suppressor) - Slightly more power, slightly better accuracy
4uantum hop rubber and nub - Again more accuracy and consistency
Gate Aster Mosfet - Mostly for trigger response if I am honest but also more programming and set up options and pre cocking
Brushless motor - Slightly faster rate of fire, less electricity used per shot
Upgraded cylinder - more consistency and tuned for the barrel length
Shimmed to within an inch of its life - makes it quieter and a lot smoother
The standard gun (bought used as a spare) is standard apart from the hop rubber and nub.
You can tell the difference if you shoot them back to back, the unmodified gun is just a bit cruder, noisier, a little more inconstant, has a slower trigger response and uses more battery power but I am happy to use either gun as individually they behave very much the same.
So question is what do you want that your current gun doesn't give you?
In my small collection I have 2 of the same gun one has been upgraded, one is standard.
The upgraded gun has
Extended tightbore barrel (covered by a suppressor) - Slightly more power, slightly better accuracy
4uantum hop rubber and nub - Again more accuracy and consistency
Gate Aster Mosfet - Mostly for trigger response if I am honest but also more programming and set up options and pre cocking
Brushless motor - Slightly faster rate of fire, less electricity used per shot
Upgraded cylinder - more consistency and tuned for the barrel length
Shimmed to within an inch of its life - makes it quieter and a lot smoother
The standard gun (bought used as a spare) is standard apart from the hop rubber and nub.
You can tell the difference if you shoot them back to back, the unmodified gun is just a bit cruder, noisier, a little more inconstant, has a slower trigger response and uses more battery power but I am happy to use either gun as individually they behave very much the same.
So question is what do you want that your current gun doesn't give you?
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I'm basically asking if a standard gun can be "optismised" for performance: range/accuracy with the parts it has fitted, such as adjustments or lubing etc, or would this type of basic "optimising" require parts to be added, like gearbox shims?... different hop rubber etc.
I don't know if there is anything wrong per se, just wanted to try and make it as good as it can be without it being modified, maybe addressing any weak points of the out-of-the-box set-up, a bit like servicing a car I suppose.
To make sure it's tip-top without spending out too much. I don't mind taking it to a tech if it's worthwhile, but if the work wouldn't be too complicated I may try myself!
Does that make more sense?
Cheers
I don't know if there is anything wrong per se, just wanted to try and make it as good as it can be without it being modified, maybe addressing any weak points of the out-of-the-box set-up, a bit like servicing a car I suppose.
To make sure it's tip-top without spending out too much. I don't mind taking it to a tech if it's worthwhile, but if the work wouldn't be too complicated I may try myself!
Does that make more sense?
Cheers
Austeyr
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I'm basically asking if a standard gun can be "optismised" for performance: range/accuracy with the parts it has fitted, such as adjustments or lubing etc, or would this type of basic "optimising" require parts to be added, like gearbox shims?... different hop rubber etc.
I don't know if there is anything wrong per se, just wanted to try and make it as good as it can be without it being modified, maybe addressing any weak points of the out-of-the-box set-up, a bit like servicing a car I suppose.
To make sure it's tip-top without spending out too much. I don't mind taking it to a tech if it's worthwhile, but if the work wouldn't be too complicated I may try myself!
Does that make more sense?
Cheers
Most factories don't do a great quality control job, so yes tearing down a gearbox and making sure everything is greased correctly, shims are shimmed correctly, AOE is good etc is definitely going to help with optimising the gearbox without costing anything - If however, you open it up and find there's a plastic rack on the cylinder for example that should be changed out for metal teeth. Essentially, any small things that you notice are off whilst it's open are going to probably be worth changing out.
Depending on who made the replica, some hop buckings are good but 99% of the time changing out to an after market option will always yield far better results. I always recommend trying to learn yourself as it's not only cheaper but it also gives you a better idea of if something isn't right with the replica (Make sure you have a back up if you decide to open it up, in case it goes wrong... Or better yet, buy a cheap boneyard rifle with the same gearbox type you want to open up (if you can, of course) and learn on the fecked one (That's how I got started, messing with boneyard AK's haha)
Skara
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Without changing a few parts there is only so much you can do.
Surely a complete gearbox cleanup, (proper) reshim and relube will help with sound, rate of fire and general consistency but it's marginal.
A better hop rubber will allow you to use heavier BBs like 0.28s and experience a significant gain in range and spread over say a 0.20g.
Please consider that most of the times the stock internal parts aren't meant for performance but rather to give a useable product for the lowest manufacturing cost possible.
Surely a complete gearbox cleanup, (proper) reshim and relube will help with sound, rate of fire and general consistency but it's marginal.
A better hop rubber will allow you to use heavier BBs like 0.28s and experience a significant gain in range and spread over say a 0.20g.
Please consider that most of the times the stock internal parts aren't meant for performance but rather to give a useable product for the lowest manufacturing cost possible.
Cannonfodder
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In my experience cyma gearboxes tend to be well made so unless there's already a problem or it's making expensive sounding noises then personally I'd leave it.
It's also worth noting that if you do open up the gearbox there's just as much chance it'll make no difference or even have a negative effect.
If you do decide to open them up then make sure you completely finish one gun before starting the other. The last thing you want the evening before a game is to have to fix 2 guns
It's also worth noting that if you do open up the gearbox there's just as much chance it'll make no difference or even have a negative effect.
If you do decide to open them up then make sure you completely finish one gun before starting the other. The last thing you want the evening before a game is to have to fix 2 guns
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As others have said, yes marginal, even tiny, improvements MIGHT be gained, but unless your confident enough to do it yourself, maybe following YouTube tutorials ?, then there will be costs involved.
But, as has also been said, what is it doing that isn't up to the job ?, in my mind if a stock gun is pushing out around 300+ fps on a .20, & is shooting straight, then I'd be inclined to leave it alone until something changes or goes drastically wrong.
The web is littered with tales of attempted upgrades, some by so called techs, that havent achieved much improvement, or in some cases got worse.
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Asomodai
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Focusing on the original question.
I would say there is a massive difference between a broken gun and one that works. But a very slight difference between a working stock rifle and a rifle that has been upgraded.
Most upgrades don't make much in hard performance gains to the point that it's worth the money. But can be worth it in terms of how your experience of operating it from a personal operating experience, IE is it snappy feeling, does it handle well, reliability (Sometimes)... Basically soft advantages.
I would say there is a massive difference between a broken gun and one that works. But a very slight difference between a working stock rifle and a rifle that has been upgraded.
Most upgrades don't make much in hard performance gains to the point that it's worth the money. But can be worth it in terms of how your experience of operating it from a personal operating experience, IE is it snappy feeling, does it handle well, reliability (Sometimes)... Basically soft advantages.
EDcase
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As said in posts above, opening it up is unlikely to gain much and may make it worse. Leave tinkering until you have a problem and spare guns to use.
The only 'upgrade' I do with all AEGs out of the box (after testing they work properly) is to change the battery connector to Deans/T-plugs. They make a much better electrical connection ensuring the motor gets the full juice from the battery. (Don't use an adaptor because that defeats the whole purpose)
The only 'upgrade' I do with all AEGs out of the box (after testing they work properly) is to change the battery connector to Deans/T-plugs. They make a much better electrical connection ensuring the motor gets the full juice from the battery. (Don't use an adaptor because that defeats the whole purpose)
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