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What is it different about UK airsoft


Well, we've already had our Shadrach in the furnace moment in the VCRA, and our regulatory reprieve by the grace of God (and the Association of British Airsoft, as-was).  Now we're actually in a pretty strong position, as airsoft guns have been well defined in primary national legislation since 2017.  Contrast with (e.g.) New York City which raged out and criminalised gel-blasters on a whim, with a definition so broad that it would also seem to cover all piston airsoft guns and many Nerfs as well (and had about as much effectiveness as you'd imagine).

While it's true that we could lose RIFs at the stroke of some future Home Secretary's pen, I don't think it's actually likely.  If there's one thing I'm sure of it's that Parliament hates to admit that legislation has failed, just that it needs more of the same.  For example, constantly adding new and ever more specific types of weapon to the list of prohibited ones.  We might see tweaks to the definition of our defence, but I'd be very surprised if it were removed entirely.

In terms of the activity itself, nah, we'll be fine.  Slinging small, low energy things at each on private land other isn't going anywhere any time soon.  We might end up doing it with day-glo gel-blasters eventually, but the core of the activity (dressing up, yelling at each other, and taking it all far too seriously) is safe enough.

 
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It's taken me a while to decide whether to reply to this, and if so, what I should say. As Shamal has rightly stated, I am the East of England UKAPU representative. I initially joined as a member, but decided that I would like to further support the community as a regional representative.

During my interview for the position I too expressed reservations with regard to what the union provide - as others have pointed out, the social media pages are not frequently updated and there is little 'evidence'. All representatives are volunteers, and in any case, I believe that the Press Officer position is vacant.

There is often assistance offered to player-members which unfortunately goes unreported due to this. This has involved helping with customs and import of RIFs, where players experienced issues - and similarly assisted players in Northern Ireland where I believe there have been further issues with customs.

Following the COVID-19 pandemic, the Union were approached by a number of game organisers/site owners to gauge the legality of running games during the lift of restriction levels. The Union provided this guidance, but it was highlighted that if Airsoft was registered as a sport (like paintball is), then we potentially could have returned sooner. However, in order to register as a sport we would require a national governing body.

The membership was 'sold' to me as more of an insurance scheme; in case I should ever need assistance, but also to support the ongoing efforts of the Union to provide some kind of national governing body - which was well supported by representatives, members, non-members and site owners when discussed with them.

Whilst it was before my time, I believe the references to 'proposed bans' etc relate to the VCRA 2007 bill. @Cannonfodder if you would like I will try to find more information relating to this.

Unfortunately, our Chairman has suffered from issues with his personal circumstances lately, and this has led to our AGM not happening as early in the year as perhaps would be expected. Rest assured, I am actively pursuing this and hope it will be able to go ahead soon. With this in mind, I cannot comment on the plans going forward for the annual members skirmish or attendance at NAE.

In the past I have attempted to arrange a members only game, but then struggled to find a site to host it at. It is on my list of things to arrange, and as soon as I have news I will share it.

I do recognise that perhaps the communications from the Union have not been as good as would be expected, and for that please accept my apology.

@Rogerborg - are you referring to the Operation Stigma II post on Facebook from May 2022 as this is all I can find?

@RebelScum if you would like, please send me a message and I will do my best to chase up your patch - as it is of course not right that you have yet to receive it.

Finally, I would like to address suggestions that members of the Union are in it to 'make a name' for themselves, or as an 'ego boost'. I appreciate this is personal opinion, but when engaging with other representatives I have not experienced this. I see the other representatives as individuals with only the interests of the players and the sport at heart.

My inbox is always open, and I am always more than happy to engage with any player, whether they are a member or not. I've done my best to address what people have said, and am happy to discuss anything.

- Jacob
I didn’t known I had a EofE rep!!. ?

Are you still looking for local games, can gunman not help out at Tuddenham?

 
I didn’t known I had a EofE rep!!. ?

Are you still looking for local games, can gunman not help out at Tuddenham?
Yes you do!

Initially when I took up the role I was mostly playing at Reforger and a site near Royston, but now I'm leaning more toward Combat at Thetford and Gunman Tuddenham. Drop me a message and we'll sort something out - as you say, I'm sure Gunman would be happy to facilitate.

 
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So erm....

Did UKAPU actually get their act together or is it back to "please gib us monies, we totes do stuff behind the scenes that you won't hear of" as a business model again?

 
Press releases will be out shortly :)  


Can you define "shortly," please? -- as it's coming up to 1.5 weeks since you claimed "Initial drafts of press releases concerning both the AGM and present structure of the committee have been written, and will shortly be reviewed prior to release" ...

 
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Thanks, as long as everything goes to plan then the press releases will be emailed out today. Once confirmed that they have gone out I'll put a link up here, and will be circulated to other outlets also.

 
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Oh dear... You said it would be out by midday, then changed it to "today" without any notification or explanation, not the best transparency and "press" communication...

The email that's just arrived says there's an AGM set for August 3, which is technically 28 days from today (as per Clause 8.4 of the Constitution) ... but Clause 8.3 says,

[SIZE=10pt]Nomination of candidates for election to executive committee positions shall be made in writing to the Secretary at least 45 days in advance of the AGM date.[/SIZE]


(emphasis mine).

As you're proposing having an AGM 28 days from today, which should be electing new Officers for UKAPU, you've completely failed to allow sufficient time for any "full members' to nominate themselves as candidates for election to the executive committee.

Additionally, per Clause 8.5, the secretary requires at least 14 days notice of matters to be raised at the AGM (from full members only) -- which would be July 20, *not* July 24 as the email states.

As such, your matters-to-be-raised date is 4 days later than it should be, and your submit-nominations-by date is way off, as they would have to have been received by June 19 as per the constitution.

Considering the release was quietly delayed, presumably for last-minute proofreading or editing, it's rather concerning that you're failing to follow some of the most basic parts of the constitution, namely concerning the election of committee members / officers, and how AGMs are held and formed.

@UKAPU Press Office any explanation on why it seems that between the interim chairman, interim vice-chairman, and press officer, there is such a substantial discrepancy in this basic organisation, that goes completely against what the Constitution states? Unincorporated associations are bound by the terms of the Constitution, but UKAPU still appears to be throwing it in the trash and making things up?

(It's also worth noting that in this notification you've failed to provide a link to the Discord where the proposed AGM would be held, or confirmed when the completed agenda would be circulated to members... the substantial concerns noted above notwithstanding, it's a bit difficult for members to participate if you don't share with members how to attend, or confirm you'll actually provide them with agenda in sufficient time... the latter seeming unlikely, given the lack of regard afforded to the Constitution so far ?)

 
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Although i dont rightly remember ever signing up to ukapu so one is wondering where they got their hands on my email?


The only place where we get the e-mails from is from the UKAPU site. You therefore have an account with us.

Send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll be more than happy to pass across to you details as to when you had registered with us.

 
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The only place where we get the e-mails from is from the UKAPU site. You therefore have an account with us.

Send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll be more than happy to pass across to you details as to when you had registered with us.


For the benefit of the curious we have established via pm that the problem in this case is my atrocious memory.....

 
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I have removed posts that were going off-topic. Remember to play nicely, not all posts were being constructive to the discussion, and not everyone has a sense of humour.

 
For those who haven't seen their emails, or would like to view here are the links. Discord link will follow closer to the time. Weekly reminders will go out on Facebook and Instagram also.

https://www.ukapu.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/AGM-Release.pdf

https://www.ukapu.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Committee-Release.pdf


This still doesn't address that you're violating the Constitutionally-set timeframes for both agenda items and election nominations -- care to explain why that is?

 
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