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Macks airsoft dreamers of the week thread

There is a Harley dealership near me.

Stage 1 Tune: new airfilter and jet that lets it run rich.

Stage 2: Filter, jet and cheap loud pipes.  Jets are fitted one size does all.  Lottery on 100% correct mixture.  

Stage 3: Jets, filter and pipes fitted by an actual mechanic rather than the apprentice/tea boy/work experience lad, who then gets bike Dyno-ed and gas tested.  Hurrah!

A mate makes a decent living tuning them as they have been paid to be tuned.  Those that know their tuners know him.  

A wise buyer tests all bikes supplied by them with fresh plugs and chops them...

(Since they are now all EFI this comment only applied pre-2016-ish.  Damn this Alzheimer's...)  

Anyhow, how much you pay usually relates to how much you both beforehand, and at testing (if possible) and are willing to gamble on the honesty and abilities of the buyer. 

Then again spending large amount tends to be more impulsive not less.  It's complex stuff.  

 
Harley were fined bigly for flogging so many not-road-legal tuning kits for their potato bikes that it was clear that they were effectively viewed as necessary equipment by owners.

There's a reasonable analogy there to the number of airsoft owners who ask "wut upgrayedds need b4 play?" while their new toy is still in transit to them.

I've upgrayedded my toys for the personal pleasure of the process, not because I believe that it substantially increases my winr8.

I realise that other opinions are available and that this explains why Tier 3 toys are offered for, and sometimes bought at, a significant premium over the stock examples.

It does continue to baffle me though.

Tactical Pith Helmet said:
Then again spending large amount tends to be more impulsive not less.  It's complex stuff.  
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I suspect this is a big factor.  The thrill is more about the buy and unboxing than the ownership or play experience.  The bigger the number, the bigger the buzz.

#NotAllBigSpenders, obviously.

 
RostokMcSpoons said:
Dave's custom stuff comes with a clear shopping list of components, and as a level 3 upgrade basically seems to touch every component then again a reasonably savvy buyer might well be willing to pay above the going rate for a 'shop done' upgrade, rather than having some unknown part-timer meddle with the innards.

I'd consider the Dave's custom work to be very much an outlier because the work's been done to a fresh gun, out the shop.   I'm in that area though where it seems to have value to me but I don't know how real that value actually is.

TL;DR:

Present me with the option to buy one of two guns - one upgraded at a shop I'd already heard of, versus one upgraded with the same parts, by Mr X at a game site.   I would be prepared to pay more for the shop gun.   
If it's Mr X versus Mr Y doing the upgrades, I'm not going to be considering their labour to have any particular intrinsic / residual value.
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I agree that the value of someones time to upgrade their own gun is irrelevant once the time comes to sell it on.

However, assuming that a DCS Tier 3 upgrade is great because it changes everything in the gun is folly. There is a reason why every time someone comes on this forum and says "I've just bought this what upgrades does it need" the response is almost always "use it first and see what it needs". Changing everything just for the sake of saying it's an upgrade is NOT the same as blueprinting an engine, regardless of what the person trying to charge £1000 to upgrade a £200 gun might tell you.

As fr the TL:DR, I present option 3 - buy the gun off the shelf and do the upgrades yourself.

 
Lozart said:
assuming that a DCS Tier 3 upgrade is great because it changes everything in the gun is folly
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Should be fine from an reputable shop, if it's done by an experienced tech rather than some trainee, and if they've done loads of the same upgrades before, and if the wholesaler hasn't changed the spec on the base toy, and if the OEM hasn't changed their quality control, and if they're able to get the usual parts, and if the spec on those parts hasn't changed, and if those parts don't have defects, and if everything goes together smoothly, and if they actually test if, and if they take it apart to remedy any issues after they test it, and if they have the parts and ability to do so, and if they repeat that process until everything works as intended, I don't see what the problem could be.

 
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Rogerborg said:
Should be fine from an experienced shop, if it's done by an experienced tech rather than some trainee, and if they've done loads of the same upgrades before, and if the wholesaler hasn't changed the spec on the base toy, and if the OEM hasn't changed their quality control, and if they're able to get the usual parts, and if the spec on those parts hasn't changed, and if those parts don't have defects, and if everything goes together smoothly, and if they actually test if, and if they take it apart to remedy any issues after they test it, and if they have the parts and ability to do so, and if they repeat that process until everything works as intended, I don't see what the problem could be.
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in fairness, certain upgrades for certain platforms can be relatively predictable. for example it can be relatively predictable that the hop rubber on a WE won't like the heavies, so changing to a ml bucking would be sensible.

although yes changing every single component generally isn't a requirement and i'd certainly question generic lists where the same parts are listed for a range of different guns from different manufacturers.

 
Tactical Pith Helmet said:
There is a Harley dealership near me.

Stage 1 Tune: new airfilter and jet that lets it run rich.

Stage 2: Filter, jet and cheap loud pipes.  Jets are fitted one size does all.  Lottery on 100% correct mixture.  

Stage 3: Jets, filter and pipes fitted by an actual mechanic rather than the apprentice/tea boy/work experience lad, who then gets bike Dyno-ed and gas tested.  Hurrah!

A mate makes a decent living tuning them as they have been paid to be tuned.  Those that know their tuners know him.  

A wise buyer tests all bikes supplied by them with fresh plugs and chops them...

(Since they are now all EFI this comment only applied pre-2016-ish.  Damn this Alzheimer's...)  
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There's a fella at work who claims his sportster is 100hp from a stage 3. I think it's total bollocks. Hated the sportster I had briefly with a passion but it was so cheap it needed buying. 

My dad has a 1979 Guzzi t3 and it's miles ahead in every way of his 90s dyna that he had before. 

So was my california of similar age to the dyna. 

Not a harley hater but I don't see the appeal. 

 
Cromulon1994 said:
My dad has a 1979 Guzzi t3 and it's miles ahead in every way of his 90s dyna that he had before. 

So was my california of similar age to the dyna. 
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You are a fellow of taste and refinement.   As a Guzzi rider myself, I vastly prefer them.  

The Spadas, Le Mans, Calis and various V models that I have ridden have all been marvellous.  The T3 is a particular favourite if mine.  In another world to Milwaukee's offerings.  

100bhp sporty...   pfffft!

 
Me personally I’ve always thought when you come down to it getting tech work done if your not confident doing it your self is like standing on a ledge in the pitch black and all you can do is grab your nuts and jump , your either going to land on something soft and squishy ?or your getting something sharp and spiky up your arse when you land ! ?

 
Cromulon1994 said:
Not a harley hater but I don't see the appeal. 
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Expensive old technology, comically under-powered, and over-rated by their owners to the point of cult fetishism, you say?

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Druid799 said:
Me personally I’ve always thought when you come down to it getting tech work done if your not confident doing it your self is like standing on a ledge in the pitch black and all you can do is grab your nuts and jump , your either going to land on something soft and squishy ?or your getting something sharp and spiky up your arse when you land ! ?
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So...much like making love to a beautiful woman then.

 
You can tell it's January.... I'm sure come February this discussion would have moved on a little ?  beep beep beep ;)  oh damn I've got a light leaking into my receiver.... where's the gaffer tape :P

 
I don't get Harleys either. Uncool Japanese low-capacity bikes for me.

Rogerborg said:
Expensive old technology, comically under-powered, and over-rated by their owners to the point of cult fetishism, you say?

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Now THAT'S funny... and bound to wind up a few folk here!

 
Ebeneezer Goode said:
I don't get Harleys either. Uncool Japanese low-capacity bikes for me.
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I chopped a 1978 CG125 once...

Hardtail, single seat and pullbacks. 

I also upholstered one, covering the entire thing in inch long fur from a set of those faux animal skin seat covers that used to 'grace' so many Cortinas and Vauxhall Vivas.  

They were majestic.  

 
My illness has symptoms which present as an irrational need to customise whatever motorcycles are in my presence.  This has led to some 'interesting' results in periods of no money and unsuitable bikes.  

I did once, seriously and no lie (aided and abetted by some clubmates) take an angle grinder to the frame of a CX500 that belonged to someone else.  It entered the club garage as a standard black bike and left oxide green in what you might call a brat configuration (albeit 30 years before the term came to my attention).  I think we called it an urban scrambler.

We liked it anyway, and luckily so did the rather nonplussed owner (eventually).   Took us about three hours and a few bits we had pre-selected that were knocking around.

 
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