Less is more, thus shaved is more than bushed.. Warhead brushless question

[Skara]

How much is the replacement going to cost? If it's a bit less than a ronin I'd call that a win. 

Absolutely no clue, I guess we'll find out whenever they receive the motor.

 

[Skara]

Over a month later and a few emails the repaired motor seems to be on its way back to me.

Will take at least another week or two because national postal service.

Hopefully I can fucking use my AK for the 4th time in two years!

 

[Skara]

How much did the repair set you back out of curiosity?

At the moment, just the postage to send them the motor (€14,something)

 

[Rogerborg]

Hmm, I seem to be seeing a lot[1] of folk reporting "Warhead crapped out, but Ben@KO-Technologies is very sympathetic."

A bit like how Acetech were OK about replacing my Lighter-S, but now the replacement is in bits on my Workbench of Perpetual Prevarication awaiting complete resoldering.

At Warhead prices I'd be hoping for better results than being a beta tester, no matter how good the support.

But such is airsoft, and being at the bleeding edge[2] of the performance envelope.

[1] Two? Three?

[2] i.e. about a decade behind RC.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Hmm, I seem to be seeing a lot[1] of folk reporting "Warhead crapped out, but Ben@KO-Technologies is very sympathetic."

the tabs on them are very weak, even knowing they're weak it's still difficult to get the wiring etc fitted and grips installed without exerting enough force to break them.

guess it's a design flaw that doesn't seem as big a deal on paper as it does in reality.

[2] i.e. about a decade behind RC.

gotta be more than that? brushless was well established in rc even before i started pewing.

 

[Skara]

the tabs on them are very weak, even knowing they're weak it's still difficult to get the wiring etc fitted and grips installed without exerting enough force to break them.

It's exactly why mine died, and it's why I'm worried about the other motor (in my M4) because whenever I disassemble the thing to do repairs and fine tuning it's nerve wrecking to remove and plug the motor. I'm so tempted to just buy a wired ESC and swap it myself on this one.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

It's exactly why mine died, and it's why I'm worried about the other motor (in my M4) because whenever I disassemble the thing to do repairs and fine tuning it's nerve wrecking to remove and plug the motor. I'm so tempted to just buy a wired ESC and swap it myself on this one.

yep, same here.

can't even contemplate trying to get it plugged in without breaking on an m4.......

 

[Skara]

Got this in the mail today:

Not exactly a top notch repair, but so far nobody charged me for anything so I guess it's a win

 

[steverebo]

So I got to quickly test them and.....

I'm disappointed.

The AK now does 23 RPS on a 7.4v battery (it did 20 with the stock motor) but somehow the power has dropped to 0.3J whereas before it was doing 0.99...

The M4, does 20 RPS with the warhead and last time I checked it was doing 22 with the SHS.

If I plug a 11.1v in it does 30 but then the power dramatically drops because the nozzle can't keep up (this I knew already).

I'm pissed, to say the least, because they're not cheap.

Both motors are marked "M", does it stand for high speed (36k) or did I receive two standard speed ones?

You have just completely described the issue I am having with my arp9 since upgrading to my warhead base 27k my fps has dropped by around 40fps I tried sanding down my delayer chip no luck it's been driving me mad  

 

[Skara]

You have just completely described the issue I am having with my arp9 since upgrading to my warhead base 27k my fps has dropped by around 40fps I tried sanding down my delayer chip no luck it's been driving me mad  

I have come to the conclusion that it's a timing issue:

The gun cycles so fast in semi compared to a regular brushed motor that the gearbox just can't keep up.

I fixed the issue on my M4 by yeeting the delayer and shaving down maybe two millimetres off the tappet plate fin, I got lucky because the gun still feeds fine on both flash mags and midcaps.

My ak wasn't so lucky, I have installed a "high speed" delayer chip with the bulge on the left side (so the bulge picks up the tappet plate earlier and it releases just a smidge past the tappet plate cam) to no avail, even after a rather daft cut of the fin (3/4mm) I still have massive power drops.

Without the speshul delayer the gun feeds fine (at full power) on midcaps but doesn't feed at all on my Cyma flash mags.

I might try to fix it tonight or on Thursday (day off due to national holiday).

 

[steverebo]

I might try and cut a few mm from my tappet and see if that helps my arp9, I have had someone suggest to me trying a dsg tappet plate with my ssg gears due to the fast cycle time so I may even try that