Large Events in the UK

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Is NAE the only one?

If so, why?

With on 175 acres of play space, have no other locations been tried in past events?

 
Would think A; there one of the biggest retailers in the UK so they’ve got the infrastructure to actually carry it off , B; would think It costa a shit load of money to set up and run so again size of the business they can absorb it . C; not as if they suddenly set up an event that two thousand players turned up at , they’ve taken a good few yrs to built it up from a few hundred players in the beginning  . D; they’ve got a VERY big site with all the permanent bases and what not to run it successfully at the site , plus they’ve got the things you’d need to hold a ‘festival’ close on hand , easy access from major roads , buses , trains , room for a lot of camping , amenities close by (big Sainsbury’s just off the duel carriageway in Ringwood) .

To be honest in 19yrs of playing I don’t think I’ve ever come across any other sites , scurmish organisers or Airsoft business that could even come close to being able to set one up on this scale ? 

 
Would think A; there one of the biggest retailers in the UK so they’ve got the infrastructure to actually carry it off , B; would think It costa a shit load of money to set up and run so again size of the business they can absorb it . C; not as if they suddenly set up an event that two thousand players turned up at , they’ve taken a good few yrs to built it up from a few hundred players in the beginning  . D; they’ve got a VERY big site with all the permanent bases and what not to run it successfully at the site , plus they’ve got the things you’d need to hold a ‘festival’ close on hand , easy access from major roads , buses , trains , room for a lot of camping , amenities close by (big Sainsbury’s just off the duel carriageway in Ringwood) .

To be honest in 19yrs of playing I don’t think I’ve ever come across any other sites , scurmish organisers or Airsoft business that could even come close to being able to set one up on this scale ? 


19 years! Ye gods, is Airsoft that... unchanging.

 
19 years! Ye gods, is Airsoft that... unchanging.
been playing just as long. Airsoft has gone from extremely niche to just very niche. As a sport there really aren't that many people playing relatively speaking hardly any airsoft companies have the infrastructure or resources to put on large events.  

 
been playing just as long. Airsoft has gone from extremely niche to just very niche. As a sport there really aren't that many people playing relatively speaking hardly any airsoft companies have the infrastructure or resources to put on large events.  


GZ built it and "they came". Or am I looking at it wrong?

 
Is NAE the only one?

If so, why?

With on 175 acres of play space, have no other locations been tried in past events?


Is NAE the only one? Yes unless you count AI500 (a lot less players) or Stirling England vs. Scotland (milsim, again with a lot less players)

If so, why? Because large events like NAE for playing are absolute shit

With on 175 acres of play space, have no other locations been tried in past events? No, as @Druid799 said they have the infrastructure to pull it off (in the loosest of terms) plus everyone knows events like NAE are pretty much just an excuse for players to go somewhere and socialize/get off their face for the weekend as you cant call what happens there a game.

Guessing you missed this as well - https://airsoft-forums.uk/topic/44203-north-v-south-airsoft-festival-2019/

 
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19 years! Ye gods, is Airsoft that... unchanging.
Well there’s not a lot you can change really , you’ve got a fake gun that fires plastic BBs by the use of compressed air or gas and you shoot it at another person who’s doing the same to you to try and eliminate each other from a roaming game ?

Bit difficult to change the format one would think ? ?

 
Well there’s not a lot you can change really , you’ve got a fake gun that fires plastic BBs by the use of compressed air or gas and you shoot it at another person who’s doing the same to you to try and eliminate each other from a roaming game ?

Bit difficult to change the format one would think ? ?


Um well, er, hmm... you’re probably right. 

 
Having been to NAE this year. I can agree with the above sentiment. 2000+ players for a 175 acre site is actually too many. Objectives were mostly trench warfare with little movement for most the day. 

It wasn't so much skill that won a team an objective as much as it was how many players from each team at the objective decided to go else where or do something else and thus led to a numbers disadvantage/advantage. 

Don't get me wrong, it's lots of fun but you don't go to NAE to "win" as you might at a skirmish game or more likely at a milsim. 

I for one would be more interested in smaller games (average skirmish day to a few hundred players like a popular milsim perhaps) at unique and interesting sites/AO's. Airsoft at an abandoned/closed airport or at a powerplant site etc.

The dream would be to find a billionaire and get them into the hobby, have them buy a sizeable private island and build small villages and maybe a small town on it. Nobody's using Guernsey right? ?

 
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The dream would be to find a billionaire and get them into the hobby, have them buy a sizeable private island and build small villages and maybe a small town on it. Nobody's using Guernsey right? ?


Such a thing does (or did) exist. An island of the coast of Croatia 

 
Such a thing does (or did) exist. An island of the coast of Croatia 




Aye. I heard of it but I want something more local because I'm a poor student and I've got no clue with how to travel with Airsoft rifles and frankly with my complexion, I wouldn't really want to try either. It'd be one misunderstanding from turning into a shit show, sadly. 

 
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Aye. I heard of it but I want something more local because I'm a poor student and I've got no clue with how to travel with Airsoft rifles and frankly with my complexion, I wouldn't really want to try either. It's be one misunderstanding from turning into a shit show, sadly. 
You and me both.

I for one would be more interested in smaller games (average skirmish day to a few hundred players like a popular milsim perhaps) at unique and interesting sites/AO's. Airsoft at an abandoned/closed airport or at a powerplant site etc.

The dream would be to find a billionaire and get them into the hobby... ?




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Exactly what I'd like too, bud! Give me 2000 acres, a whole load of compounds, gulleys, patches of woodland, tall grass, hills, tunnels, real objectives, proper command structure, fire support and I'll be a happy Airsofter. 

 
You and me both.

Exactly what I'd like too, bud! Give me 2000 acres, a whole load of compounds, gulleys, patches of woodland, tall grass, hills, tunnels, real objectives, proper command structure, fire support and I'll be a happy Airsofter. 


That'd be the dream! 

 
Depends. How often would the games be running over the course of a year and how long would a "game session" last? Multiday Weekender? I'd pay around what NAE costs depending now just how big the AO was and how good it was. Multiday game over 3 days and some nights 100+ easily. If it's once a year then I could pay more provided I had ample notice for game dates to plan and save around. 

Running every weekend as a continuous on going game scenario? £30-40 would be reasonable and affordable enough that I'd play more than once a few months. At that price range I'd personally go twice a month at least. 

With more disposalable income in the future, time allowing I'd be down most weekends. 

For something like that, I suspect the key point would be hitting a critical mass of players to make the game site financially viable. 

 
Depends. How often would the games be running over the course of a year and how long would a "game session" last? Multiday Weekender? I'd pay around what NAE costs depending now just how big the AO was and how good it was. Multiday game over 3 days and some nights 100+ easily. If it's once a year then I could pay more provided I had ample notice for game dates to plan and save around. 

Running every weekend as a continuous on going game scenario? £30-40 would be reasonable and affordable enough that I'd play more than once a few months. At that price range I'd personally go twice a month at least. 

With more disposalable income in the future, time allowing I'd be down most weekends. 

For something like that, I suspect the key point would be hitting a critical mass of players to make the game site financially viable. 


Hmm, I'd fancy a 48hr weekender, Sat morning to Sun evening. That would cover those who can only make one day and those who want to play night ops.

£35 then  ;)

How would you get that critical mass? Let the experience do the work for you?

 
Best strategy would be to develop a field over time. Buy/rent land and build a good quality skirmish site and get good marshals to help build a good reputation. Then as finances allow, grow and expand the size of the site. 

I'd do it so each expansion was its own stand alone game field. E.G you could play a skirmish game on that one field and it's still be a good he field. But do so that when you combine all the fields into one big site. It's flows and plays well as a whole. 

The advantage doing to this was would be you could have a small core team of marshals on staff to run skirmish days every weekend and you'd just rotate between game fields each day/weekend. 

Then for big events were you use multiple or even all the game sites. You can hire in marshals and game leads for just those events instead of having them on staff all year round.

Would help keep finances reasonable since you can charge more for the large events (100+) for help pay for the extra staff etc and then the rest of the time. Your just a normal skirmish site with average skirmish prices (£20-30 per game day) with lots of game fields to choose from.

 
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Sounds like a plan, but there isn't anything like that out there, that I know of.

 
It depends on what you consider to be a 'large event'.

The way I have seen airsoft is as a form of 'scenario walkon'

I began playing paintball just in time for the hey day of scenario paintball with events typically being run by players for players at their local site, these were generally one scenario event per month at various parts of the UK, these varied in scale and there were a very few 'big games'

For the past few years things contracted in size.  There was an organiser that tried to monopolise and take over the world, but went from well run games to overly hyped games, and with the recession people began to be more careful with how they spent their disposable income, most likely to be playing walk-ons locally and only travel to whats really worth it.

There are special cases such as hiring active Army training sites, that is novel at first but still needs a good quality organiser capable of keeping it fresh (let alone be able to take the financial risk of booking such a site and hoping people turn up or that you don't have your booking cancelled for Defence priorities)

We have had great paintball events on such sites, but other than Swynnerton have only been able to do so with specialist clear paint, and these sites are 'easier' to book for airsoft as the mess just needs to be swept away rather than cleaned away.

There two paintball big games that now also run airsoft alongside.  Paintfest / airfest by NPF and North Vs South by Warped.

They are well established organisers with Paintfest having run for 10 years.  The site NPF ran the first Hyperball tournament in the world in 1996, and the owner Ged Green has been running things since paintball came to the UK in the mid 80s.  He is also responsible for how modern tournament paintball is run having taught the Americans how to do it at Huntingdon Beach in 2003.

They have had airsoft on site for many years and added airfest alongside Paintfest two years ago.

Warped have been running North vs South at Swynnerton since approx 2008/2009?, and elsewhere for years before.

To run paintball on an Army site though Swynnerton is more 'rough' a training area than Copehill etc they have to take over the site in advance to set up and keep on site during the week after to fully clean up.

I'm one of those people who looked at other organisers and thought that I could do that too.  It's far from easy, and we run events in other peoples sites, and collaborated with other organisers.  We have run large and small games - hundreds of people and 6 to 8 people (the 6-8 were 'special experiences' with one-to-one.

There are people that I would trust and wouldn't trust to run different types and scales of events (and there are things that I would not be happy about committing us to do)

I've seen events go horribly wrong, with the ways those were managed being handled very differently.   One event destroyed a brand new group of organisers, their team and friendships.  A lot of money disappeared.  With pure luck there were no injuries resulting to very dangerous circumstances

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Then for big events were you use multiple or even all the game sites. You can hire in marshals and game leads for just those events instead of having them on staff all year round.

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This is a pretty spot on description of scenario paintball events.

The other issue is that 'normal marshals' may not be able to manage large rolling games as opposed to standard short games/skirmishes.   But that comes with experience.

We have run most of our games opening up the entire site, which changes the dynamics of a sites designed game zones, and often used site staff as the 'safety marshalls' and ourselves as 'event marshalls'

 
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