is this me being a perfectionist?

I remember that i is a valid way to hold a long gun in CQB situations if you have to go there with it. I can't remember if it was the AK or the M16 (with full stock), but I definitely saw it taught like that to real soldiers. Searching for photos... :)
Its called skeletal support

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Just read up on a topic about "CODsofters". It's not as rare as you think.

I just hope to hell my ArmA instincts don't take over, and make me act like a tit, shouting "Rifleman, 100 meters, East." every time I see a guy on the other team.

EDIT: Saying this, is there a generally accepted way to talk to and act around others whilst skirmishing without looking like a guy who spends too much of his time on video games?
I've got no beef with shouting out like that, at least it's helpful (Unless he's not even East).

Didn't Redwolf post a video at one point about the 'best' way to stand with your weapon?

 
I've been playing for quite a while all over the country... it's a lot less common than most people seem to think.
People love to bang on the call of duty hate train but in game occurrences are ridiculously rare. I only had one rule bending encounter that was rectified quickly at the old place I used to play.

Battlefield has taken over as top tog over the schildrens it seems so you get less fishy stuff we like to rag on about.

I also have the ArmA senses of calling things out oddly, but I'm trying to get rid of that a bit. It's helpful over crap PMR radio connections however so It comes in handy.

 
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How can you control a weapon when it isn't solid in to your shoulder?

These things are fashions. Someone copies something they have seen because they think it gives some kind of advantage and then next thing you know everyone thinks they should do it not knowing why it was done in the first place.

It happens in Archery all the time. Someone will use variation on their anchor or release and seem to shoot well. Others copy it not knowing why it was done in the first place or even what effect it is supposed to have.

At the moment it is fashionable to let your bow do an exaggerated drop after the release and people are dropping their wrist at the end of the follow through to achieveit. This goes against the basics of form. It is happening with some archers because of their set up and the damper on he end of their long rod pulling the center of gravity of their bow forward and down.

there is no need to drop the wrist to get the bow to drop, there is no advantage to it.

 
Skeletal support is a legit thing, the idea being that you support the weight of the rifle with your skeleton opposed to muscles which take the gun off target as you fatigue. I've used it with my m14 when taking standing long shots, but I don't see it having an real use in airsoft, guns are usually not too heavy and the ranges we typically work with don't involve a long time aiming.

I think it comes down to people not knowing how to hold guns properly though.When teaching my girlfriend and sister to shoot I've seen them shoot in some hilarious stances!

 
I remember that i is a valid way to hold a long gun in CQB situations if you have to go there with it. I can't remember if it was the AK or the M16 (with full stock), but I definitely saw it taught like that to real soldiers. Searching for photos... :)
I was going to say this, but outside of those situations I don't really see the point. I'm not sure if it's taught but i've heard yanks talk about tucking the butt of an M16 under their armpit or over their shoulder when roomclearing.

 
5.56 doesn't really kick that hard, if you're strong and proficient with the weapon then for extremely close up stuff a 100% solid shooting stance isn't entirely necessary.

 
I'm no expert in guns (airsoft or real steel) but I do understand a fair bit about how the body moves and reacts to stresses. Quite often in sports and activities a natural position or movement is formed or developed based on the forces against the body or the balance needed to achieve it. When shooting a REAL gun it's deffo a good/natural idea to shoulder the weapon properly to counteract the recoil. You may get it wrong the first time but even if you handed m14s to wild Indians with no training whatsoever and monitored they're progress, soon enough through trial and error (and injury lol) they would aquire decent technique.

In airsoft there is no kick (98% of guns) so for someone with no experience of handling or who hasn't really made an effort to learn this position can feel quite normal. Add to that perhaps weak upper body strength and they are even more likely to want to place the weight as vertically down they're body as possible rather then support it properly.

Does it bother me whilst skirmishing..... No not really. But I do find it odd when someone spends a heck of a lot of money on guns n gear but they're stance is girly lol

#military press for stronger shoulders :-)

 
thing is ive seen pictures of what most would call "hardcore airsofters" and even they do it...

like i say its probably just the perfectionist in me... but dont even get me started on trigger fingers haha!

(i dont know why it annoys me, it just does.)

 
It happens in Archery all the time. Someone will use variation on their anchor or release and seem to shoot well. Others copy it not knowing why it was done in the first place or even what effect it is supposed to have.
Anyone who changes their anchor point on a regular basis has obviously not been told that concistanty is the key to accuracy..
 
Anyone who changes their anchor point on a regular basis has obviously not been told that concistanty is the key to accuracy..
That's the point. They read too many forums or watch an international event and think 'if I do that I will be better.'

Not for nothing is archery called the 'Art of repetition'

 
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I often rest the very bottom of my stock very near the top of my shoulder, it's a pain to shoulder the full stock on my full shoulder with an Osprey on, and when no one else is going to the effort of doing it properly either, it just seems like a disadvantage. Brings the sights to your head, instead of head to the sights, easier, faster, more comfortable; the only reason people don't do that with real steel is precisely because of the recoil, if real guns didn't recoil, then all these "shooting stances" would be totally different.

I've never seen anyone hold anything like a bazooka though, not ever. When I show my guns to family members they tend to tuck the stock under their arm pit and then try to become on-the-spot contortionists to get down the sights, or they'll do this really weird thing where they lean back a stupid amount and hold the gun out in front of them, as if the sights only work from 3ft away lol.

The guns have no recoil and we're playing a game though... Who cares? Unless it's dark looking down the side of the gun is often just as easy as sighting in, sometimes easier because you can see the immediate effects of the hop better.

I'd expect everyone to act accordingly at a milsim even though, it wouldn't be much of a military simulation if no one was doing anything the correct, real life way.

 
one thing i did thing of is if your moving and holding the gun like that and you have for instance optics on your weapon then if you did fall that is going to go straight to your eye socket... where as if you were shouldered then it wouldnt...

i knew it would probably be only me that gets annoyed by it (i say annoyed but its more a little niggle really)

 
Slight deviation of topic.... But has anyone else noticed some peeps stance has become very square with both shoulders facing 90 degrees forwards and the gun pointing straight 90 degrees out of the right shoulder?

Keep seeing this and thought it was odd but again, I guess it doesn't really matter. I prefer a more bladed stance just because it reduces me as a target quite slot and my balance is better. Also if one foot is behind the other I'm ready to run back or forwards easily

 
Slight deviation of topic.... But has anyone else noticed some peeps stance has become very square with both shoulders facing 90 degrees forwards and the gun pointing straight 90 degrees out of the right shoulder?

Keep seeing this and thought it was odd but again, I guess it doesn't really matter. I prefer a more bladed stance just because it reduces me as a target quite slot and my balance is better. Also if one foot is behind the other I'm ready to run back or forwards easily
That's actually become doctrine in the military now, your body armour is most effective if it's facing the incoming fire directly, as you have more on your front and back than your sides.

 
As ed says, also the reason a large number of new pistol grips are at a more vertical angle. As it's more comfortable to hold while.at 90* with one than the older style. It's easier for people wearing plate carriers with wider straps to do so too.

 
Most of the time I have seen people do this is shooting over cover, your only really exposing a small portion of your head and it is much easier to get up/down. An aeg does not have any substantial recoil and using the sights is not always necessary. I think it's fair for people to hold their guns however they like to get the best position/angle as long as it's not just plain blind firing and the weapon is under control.

 
It's all fashion. Have a look this time next year it will all have changed again.

 
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