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How many chances?

What kind of player numbers would an outdoor site get near you?


most places have 20-30 regulars, occasionally you can see north of 100 on a skirmish. special events can go over 200 which is an absolute maelstrom as the site really isn't big enough for that many people.

i've played days with as few as 6 folk, which ironically were pretty fun days when it was all the kind of people you can rely on to be honest. shame that place closed down.

 
In my brief time playing airsoft, I’ve only come across one person that was persistently cheating with not calling their hits. 

My local CQB site, where I’ve only ever played at, seem pretty fair and thorough. 

With the gentleman in question, he was spoken to by a Marshall, spoken to again, asked to sit out a game. He left in a huff. They also put a mark against his name on their database (everyone, even guests, signs a waiver for H&S and is put on their system). 

The marshalls are always very vocal and clear about cheating. They also take people moaning about it just as seriously. If you have a problem, you go to a marshall, and they deal with it. The CQB site I play at has an elevated “tower” in the middle of the site, and if they need to they’ll walk the site too. It’s not huge (10v10 is pretty crazy), so they can monitor players pointed out to them quite easily.

They will also “test hit” people; even if you haven’t been brought to their attention, they’ll do random tests to make sure everyone is playing fairly. 

It it works really well, and I’ve only ever had a good experience there, and a lot of the regulars comment on how they find it a good place to play too. 

They must be doing something right; they now run two games on a Saturday and Sunday, and they’ve just dropped the price too. If you’re a first timer, you only have to pay for the rental, and not the game. 

 
My two homes sites average between 50-80 at the larger site at Cribbs causeway Bristol and 30-50 at the smaller site near Portishead . So on the the high player number gamedays they do really need the player marshals to help ‘police’ the site . 

 
My two homes sites average between 50-80 at the larger site at Cribbs causeway Bristol and 30-50 at the smaller site near Portishead . So on the the high player number gamedays they do really need the player marshals to help ‘police’ the site . 


50-80?! Mate we marshal anywhere up to 130 players and don’t need player marshals, issues are few and far between.

 
50-80?! Mate we marshal anywhere up to 130 players and don’t need player marshals, issues are few and far between.


I think the problem is that having some marshals playing is a good thing but having players marshalling is not.

All marshals should be held to a very strict code because they are paid employees you can't do that with players. You also get the ones who get off on feeling like they are elite in someway. Airsoft does attract a very large element of those that have been on the outside of social norms or even bullied and once people like that get a bit of power they too often start flexing.

Go to any site and you can spot the sycophants who snuggle up to marshals and unfortunately it seems the norm that those are the ones who get player privileges and start being a dick.

 
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surely marshals need to have experience of the game to effectively marshal, at the very least ?.

BUT

there are no guarantee's in anything, a person can excel, can be mediocre, or can be shockingly shite, at literally anything in life, much of the responsibility must rest with the site owner to choose wisely & nurture his "employees" so that they meet his expectations as part of a business model, if in their role, maybe we should be looking up the chain at the boss & his skills & ethics, or lack of.

not wanting to start another row, but I think apocalypse in Kent is a good example of this, poor management leading to piss poor marshalling & inevitably cheating players.

Shit rolls downhill ?

 
I think the problem is that having some marshals playing is a good thing but having players marshalling is not.

All marshals should be held to a very strict code because they are paid employees you can't do that with players. You also get the ones who get off on feeling like they are elite in someway. Airsoft does attract a very large element of those that have been on the outside of social norms or even bullied and once people like that get a bit of power they too often start flexing.

Go to any site and you can spot the sycophants who snuggle up to marshals and unfortunately it seems the norm that those are the ones who get player privileges and start being a dick.


True, hadn't thought of it like that and you are 100% right on the last part.

 I think apocalypse in Kent is a good example of this, poor management leading to piss poor marshalling & inevitably cheating players.

Shit rolls downhill ?


Funny you're not the only person to say that about that site.

 
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Just been to a Vietnam game this weekend.  104 players on site, I am not aware of a single issue of non hit taking.   There may have been some but I certainly didn't hear any whinging at all from our side.  This is why I play historical airsoft and try to avoid skirmishes.  

TBH at skirmishes these days I expect non hit taking, what bothers me far more is blind firing.  

 
surely marshals need to have experience of the game to effectively marshal, at the very least ?.


No they just need to know the rules of the game and what to look for. If they have no experience then mix them between playing and marshalling a bit so they learn but they are always primarily a marshal.

Not saying you can't get good marshals from players but you have to be very careful as a lot go god mode.

As I said an unfortunate side of airsoft is it attracts a lot of victims who put on camo and get a toy gun and think it covers their lack of manliness to the point they become Johnny Rambo, give them a high vis and watch that effect multiply tenfold.

 
our "sport" attracts allsorts, of that there's no doubt, I've seen players armoured up like a juggernaut, but are reluctant to clear rooms for fear of getting hit (wtf that about ?), & I've seen a player in a mankini sprinting through a field of nettles to flank the opposition ?.

by the same degree the reasons people Marshall are equally as varied, but I doubt that many choose to do it because it allows them "God" status, that's like saying only nonces ? are attracted to jobs involving kids.

on a side note, I dabbled with the idea of setting up a site, wrote a business plan the lot & had financial backing in place etc, just struggled to find a suitable location, & then life threw me a curveball that meant plans had to go on the backburner, but one of the things in my plan was a marshalling team, I had some bods in mind, most of which were non players, so essentially a blank canvas to work with, which would have included getting them playing & suitably enthused with the game, refering back to an earlier post I made, re "speak to me how you'd expect to be spoken to", its an adage that only honest players will get, give me fair unbiased play & I'll do the same for you.

for this reason there's at least 2 sites I'll never play again, & another (longmoor), that I wont play if a particular firm is running it.

I get your points though, its bad enough having to deal with cheats, never mind piss poor Marshalls that cant or won't address the issues.

ps. Back when I player marshaled, non hit takers usually behaved themselves after a polite chat, always after I'd subjected them to an "honesty" shot, only players I kicked off the playing field were often overly aggressive to the point of threatening behavior, again a firm chat in the safe zone, witnessed by the site owner usually sorted this, repeat offenders were banned, & only saw 2 cases of instant bans for hot guns, one was a silly cnut who sneaked a 650fps sniper on site & injured another player, the other was a whole team of walts, led by a mouthy Aussie bird, who always arrive late & tried to fiddle the chrono, with them we notified most of the southern sites to their antics.

As a marshal, how you speak to the accused players goes a long way to getting a positive response, & hopefully a change in their playing style, even those who know they're cheating often feel their "sportsmanship" is justifieable, even if it's just because they can't be arsed to trot back to a respawn, but a polite but firm word is often enough to shame/embarrass them in to playing properly.

Twice I've had to "go loud" during games, 2 older players on separate occasions threatening other players & getting in their faces, my response each time was "put your hands on him & I'll put my hands on you !", which to the wind out of their sails.

heres the kicker though, while this was 2 separate incidents, it turned out that the 2 instigators were actually father & son, & both serving police officers.

both were subsequently banned from all cage sites, & we later heard many other sites followed suite, some of the old hands may even remember them, the older dad sported an uncle Albert grey beard, & they both usually wore the weird European camo with splashes of red in it, Swiss alpenflage or maybe Belgian ?.

right pair of nuisances ?

 
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Going back to extraordinarily hot guns - Kick the player off site. If they do it again, ban them.
If they're over 1.3J and capable of full auto, ban them.
Because that makes it a section 5 firearm, afaik.
Which is illegal.
And utterly bloody stupid.
An argument could me made that the Police should be informed too, I suppose.

 
Going back to extraordinarily hot guns - Kick the player off site. If they do it again, ban them.
If they're over 1.3J and capable of full auto, ban them.
Because that makes it a section 5 firearm, afaik.
Which is illegal.
And utterly bloody stupid.
An argument could me made that the Police should be informed too, I suppose.




Agreed to an extent. Sites do have an obligation to do so but the chances of them doing it are slim to none. Personally speaking anyone that I've seen that has had a hot gun its usually sorted when they (chances are turning up at site is their first chance to chrono it, which is why 99% of sites have a visual thing to do to safe guns) and its not a malicious act.

If they knowingly cheat the chrono and take a hot gun into field with intent to use to hurt then that's a different subject.

 
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Also for the sake of understanding. At the Gaol 'Player Marshals' aren't players who are marshaling. They are on the books marshals who aren't high vising. 

We have 25 marshals on our books and will have 5-6 paid high vis at every game and then any other marshal who wants to attend takes the 'player marshal' (Non Paid) role to make sure games are run smoothly and also watch out for issues.

It's worked well the last 5yrs and how ever many years they had their woodland.

We also enforce that all marshals must high vis twice in 3 months in order to stay a marshal. 

We banned 2 players recently. 1 for hit taking and 1 for being extremely verbally aggressive towards a player

 
Also for the sake of understanding. At the Gaol 'Player Marshals' aren't players who are marshaling. They are on the books marshals who aren't high vising. 


Did not know there were undercover marshals there.

 
Also for the sake of understanding. At the Gaol 'Player Marshals' aren't players who are marshaling. They are on the books marshals who aren't high vising. 
?, so are they playing & only identifying themselves if it becomes necessary ?.

or standind around in camo, & I assume getting shot frequently ?

 
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