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Albiscuit said:
Id say the fact he plays is a defence is it not?
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Given the vagaries of the VCRA, that would be up to a court to decide.  The definition of a defence that the vast majority of sites and UKARA accept for membership/database entry is the standard 3 games/more than 2 months rule and every time I've dealt with customs/border force they've wanted UKARA database entry to clear RIFs for import.  IIRC correctly, manufacture is written in the same part of the act as the eligibility to be sold to and I don't know of any good, well established retailers that'll sell you a RIF if this is you:


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got my new kit ready for a game day, now to get a damn sunday off from work so i can actually go to one.


 


well, we are not asking for the defence required for sites and ukara now are we you simple asked what MY defence was and if it would prove valid in a court. considering i have a history with being a skirmisher while yes i have been inactive past few years. but there are other defences too, for film and TV use. good old classic, and seeing as I do help with props from time to time I could use that as a defence. but seeing as Ukara is the primary option for buying an rif and just getting the free painted service knowing full well ill be painting it myself I dont see the issue. end of the day, It was purchased legally, its been modified legally and its being used legally. 

seems youve gone out of your way to make a point and one im failing to see? 

 
Da_sheriff said:
its been modified legally
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I think you'd struggle to prove that part.  But that's entirely the opinion of a non-lawyer so I'll just leave that as is.  I just don't want new players coming on to this forum who've not played yet and believing it's perfectly ok to buy a 2-tone when they're not eligible to be sold a RIF then manufacture a RIF via paint that same day.  Forums have way more lurkers than they do posters.

 
Lmfao just because youve been airsofting once is not a defence. 

Unless you have a site membership, a UKARA registration, or the rifle youve painted is your dads/brothers/boyfriends/whatever who has one/ that is registered..... buying a two tone gun and painting it black is manufacturing and RIF...... resultantly breaching and violating the VCRA = Illegal.

 
Actually it could be. A 'defence' isn't really properly defined by anyone other than the retailers. Not yet at least.

However, I'd be sure to record going a few times first (keeping a receipt if you paid online or just writing down the dates at a minimum). I'd just not want to be that person that gets taken to court over it.

 
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It's all very vague to be honest. It's like I could have a UKARA membership that expires on 17th July. So that means I'm legit today and not tomorrow? What about if I start painting a gun this evening but it spills over into the early hours of tomorrow morning?

Unless I'm mistaken I have yet to see a clear definition of what does or doesn't constitute a defense  in terms of being an airsofter other than most retailers basically treating a UKARA number as a license when it clearly is not, the 3 games thing is a UKARA guideline after all. As above I've had shops that know all my details including UKARA number but won't sell to me if it's expired despite selling to me in the past. I'd hazard a guess there's no UKARA enforcement team that says I'm now not a valid skirmisher. Not to mention most sites will then renew subsequent membership regardless of how many games you have played after initially qualifying.

I do understand what people are getting at though, even if the person they are referring to does have a sensible defense. I've witnessed quite a few "loopholes" over the years but don't talk about them publicly because it just encourages people to go about things the wrong way.

 
I always thought that you could own an RIF without a defence, but you just couldn't buy one. So for example before I was 18 my dad would use his UKARA to get me a gun, so it'd be my property but because it was a gift it was legal to own without a defence.

I also thought that the UKARA was to protect retailers rather than players however i'm more than happy to be corrected because I'm not well read up on them and I've never really bothered with them, mostly because I'd just buy guns from the Republic of Ireland and I've never had any hassle bringing them back across the border or having them shipped directly.

 
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You're correct, but the issue is this covers the manufacture of RIFs too. I.e. removing the paint. Also, with buying, the liability is on the seller (the shop or person) and not the eventual owner. However, with manufacture the liability is on the person who manufactures it.

With both of the above: There is nothing about ownership. The law governs those few minutes in which the crime is being committed. Unlike owning a section 5 firearm where you're breaking the law just by owning one regardless of where you got it.

 
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I have the same secutor 17, I really like it, but the paint on the frame is wearing off very quickly.

Pretty sure it's the tan aps frame underneath... 

How's yours holding up?

 
My rifles are either end, and in the middle, my partners is the MP5, my daughters the M4 with the bronze rail 

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