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Ghillie suit wearers/snipers wearing team armbands around their ankles or hidden among their foliage. Cheating? Close to the limits? Tactical?

colinjallen

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What say you?

At a recent game, I encountered a ghillied-up sniper towards the rear of our position, facing towards the building we were defending and any flanking enemy.  I looked at his right arm, no armband; I then moved to look at his left arm and he shot me with his pistol.  It turned out that he was on the other team and had his armband pretty much hidden around his ankle.

 
It's up to however the site wants to implement ghillie-specific rules. If they don't have a requirement to keep the armband on the arm, then I wouldn't feel bad about shooting someone with one around their ankle if it came to it.

 
DrAlexanderTobacco said:
It's up to however the site wants to implement ghillie-specific rules. If they don't have a requirement to keep the armband on the arm, then I wouldn't feel bad about shooting someone with one around their ankle if it came to it.
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True enough!  I had to admire him for getting where he had so quickly but the whole idea of clearly displayed armbands is to enable players to identify who is on which side.

 
colinjallen said:
True enough!  I had to admire him for getting where he had so quickly but the whole idea of clearly displayed armbands is to enable players to identify who is on which side.
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I think ultimately for stuff like this, expectation management is the key.

I.e. in this specific example, ghillies are always a contentious issue for reasons exactly like this so I'd expect a site during the briefing to say something like

"Yo, ghillies might wear their armband on their leg to make it harder for them to get spotted. However this does mean they might get engaged by friendlies who aren't sure of their team, but that's both party's decision to make"

and so on.

 
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If in doubt light 'em up ! If you can't see a team band just assume they are the other team.

 
I'll add my two pence as a regular bush cosplayer. In short, if you're unsure and can't see a band just shoot them first.

My local site makes you put them on your arm, however I've found it's really easy to mostly conceal the armband beneath all the ghillie flippyflappy bits on the arm and actually prefer it to putting it on my leg which isn't as easy to conceal and tends to be more visible with how I play as I go prone a lot. However the trade off is that I get friendly fired more than I get shot by the enemies, but as a ghillie who tries to keep my armband out of sight that is something I fully expect and encourage; if you're not sure on a ghillie's team, shoot first and ask later to be safe (unless it's super obvious they're on your team / they're actively waving or shouting at you and trying to get your attention). If they moan, maybe they shouldn't be using a ghillie as that's just part of it if they want to make their armband hard to see, which you want to do as a ghillie because bright blue or red or yellow doesn't blend in well with the UK woodland.

In terms of wearing it on the ankle, if the site allows it then you should be allowed to do so, but my earlier point still applies; if you're unsure, shoot the ghillie first unless it's obvious they're on your team.

 
Rogerborg said:
Conceivably he was playing to the Licking Mustard rulebook, and had "pre-emptively positioned" himself.
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Given an overheard conversation about how he enjoyed bouncing BBs off people's heads, I suspect that he may have been an acolyte of that particular twat.

Impulse said:
I'll add my two pence as a regular bush cosplayer. In short, if you're unsure and can't see a band just shoot them first.

My local site makes you put them on your arm, however I've found it's really easy to mostly conceal the armband beneath all the ghillie flippyflappy bits on the arm and actually prefer it to putting it on my leg which isn't as easy to conceal and tends to be more visible with how I play as I go prone a lot. However the trade off is that I get friendly fired more than I get shot by the enemies, but as a ghillie who tries to keep my armband out of sight that is something I fully expect and encourage; if you're not sure on a ghillie's team, shoot first and ask later to be safe (unless it's super obvious they're on your team / they're actively waving or shouting at you and trying to get your attention). If they moan, maybe they shouldn't be using a ghillie as that's just part of it if they want to make their armband hard to see, which you want to do as a ghillie because bright blue or red or yellow doesn't blend in well with the UK woodland.

In terms of wearing it on the ankle, if the site allows it then you should be allowed to do so, but my earlier point still applies; if you're unsure, shoot the ghillie first unless it's obvious they're on your team.
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I don't quite buy the 'super sneaky ghillie wearers should be allowed to conceal their armband as much as possible' viewpoint.  As someone who is sneaky and who tries to match camo to the site, the weather and the time of year (except for the Mimetico Deserto!), I have to put up with having a brightly coloured armband that sometimes gives my position and team away.  I don't try to hide it because I consider that to be unsporting and ungentlemanly.

It seems to be an example of what might be termed 'ghillie exceptionalism' to argue that the clear wearing of the team armband should not necessarily apply to folk who want to dress like a bush (not Kate, George or George W).

 

 
I agree with the consensus that if they were playing by any site specific rules then fair game. But I like it about as much as those players who put their arm band on their plate carrier/chest rig shoulder straps at the front so it can't be seen from behind, is it in the rules? possibly......is it within the spirit of the game, I don't think so. 

Ultimately I believe that the site should try to get them to be on any non-arm band team (assuming there is one) where possible and rebalance the team after, obviously if there are 10 + snipers it gets tricky. It's a tough role being an effective sniper and in an average skirmish I can imagine it can be dull or frustrating so I don't mind if they get a little help to add a different dynamic, without people doing that it would make the games more one dimensional. 

 
I generally find gillihie suit wearers complain about getting shot by there own team alot for that reason.  My opinion is team tape should not be hidden and if you can't see it shoot them. 

 
as others have said- if they don't have a band visible just shoot em.

that's the risk they're taking for adopting that playstyle, and if they get annoyed by friendly fire then that's a them problem.

 
Challenge or shoot.

The same applies to random players milling around in a ‘non agressive’ stance

We like to encourage sneaky players, so if you cannot identify a player (cannot see team colours) and they aren’t showing that they are eliminated (hand up, dead rag etc) then assume that they are active opposition

You are in your rights to point a gun at them & challenge them, tap them for a silent kill or shoot.

(All of the above are of course rule dependant)

I like the idea of team colours in clothing, but there will always be someone who decides to wear a DPM vest on a tan t-shirt.

Then for armbands you can wear them on both arms (so there’s no doubt of left/right arm - and it also allows for ripping off the arm bands to signify opposition, or in a compliant group you can have red left, blue right (so if you see the colour then you know, and if you don’t see the colour then you can work it out

(to a degree this could be used with removable arm bands on elimination - if you are red and don’t see a blue armband on the right then they are friendly or eliminated - but can still cause problems )

Ghillies etc don’t want an obvious colour showing - but they ought to be capable of disappearing if they are a ninja sniper.

If you can hide like a bush then you can tuck your elbow 

I dislike armbands on ankles, backs, vests, goggles etc.

If a player chooses to wear them on unusual places for added recognition (because they don’t like being shot in the back by friendlies) then they can wear extras ….. when they argue about wearing on their arm as well as their back then I know it’s a deliberate choice to avoid being identified from the front

 
Sorry but if you put it on your ankle then your trying to hide it , which in my book = cheating .

Unless your playing on a tennis court 75% of the time it’s going to be concealed by the general plant life on site when your moving around , and unless your chosen shooting style is that of rifleman Plunkett shooting General Colbert during the retreat to Corunna then your legs will DEFINITELY be out of sight when your shooting from under cover .

 
Their site, their rules. However I do think it's a bit of a dick move. 

colinjallen said:
As someone who is sneaky and who tries to match camo to the site, the weather and the time of year (except for the Mimetico Deserto!), I have to put up with having a brightly coloured armband that sometimes gives my position and team away.
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Same here. I wonder how people would react if I started wearing said atmband on my ankle

 
Cannonfodder said:
Their site, their rules. However I do think it's a bit of a dick move. 

Same here. I wonder how people would react if I started wearing said atmband on my ankle
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Exactly; that is what I find hard to understand.  "Normal" players are supposed to wear their armband where it is clearly visible, whereas, in many cases, it is ok to conceal it once you start dressing as a shrubbery.

 
As a bush, I say the rules apply to all. If I can wear it on my ankle, the non bushes can too. If I can hide it with my gear, they can too. Then it's a personal choice with its consequences.

I never wear it on my ankle, I'd get friendly fired too much, but I do prefer blue over red.

I do see it too many times that it is explicitly said to be an armband and non ghillies wear it on the front of their vest's shoulder strap. It's not about being in ghillie, it's about being a certain type of person.

 
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It's easy enough to conceal the band from a particular direction if you put it on your forearm. Hiding it eslwhere is kinda dumb and I fully saction shooting the bush man if you can see a band. 

 
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