General election

[TacMaster]

1 we dont spend trillions,we spend billions

That's a massive amount of money we waste on an unnecessary deterrent. If the money was redistributed fairly and we invested in out own version of the USA's Strategic Defence Initiative then we would have more funds for the rest of the UK's military and other essential services, as well as being defended from ICBMs.

3. it means literally nothing that you live closer, we are from the same country

If hostilities between us and another country came to a point where nuclear missiles were launched by them, the missiles would be targeted at our nuclear missile silos as well as major population centres. If a nuclear missile were to hit a Trident silo, there could potentially be a massive secondary nuclear explosion. Jambo's right to be concerned about his proximity to one of the known Trident facilities, as his town would be well within the blast radius.

 

[Jambo88]

1 we dont spend trillions,we spend billions 2 your view on trident is your own, doesnt mean its better. 3. it means literally nothing that you live closer, we are from the same country 3. im not backing out i just feel this argument is pointless as you wont listen, i am happy to continue i just think its pointless as i was asking if anyone had any questions on UKIP policy which i am happy to discuss not a flipping trident debate which is always pointless as they will be kept (thank god) no matter what you think. as the 2 main parties have said they are keeping them no matter what.

We don't need nuclear weapons. Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc..... All live without them. can I carry a gun to deter people shooting me? Trident is a important issue so why shouldn't we talk about it? Who are the 2 main parties? Labour who if they get into power will need the SNP who are anti nuclear weapons. What's UKIPs plan on social care? These unskilled migrants are often the only ones willing to work in care homes so who will take their place?

 

[EvilMonkee]

Trident is more about securing our place on the world stage within the auspices of the UN. We would wield considerably less world influence.

Oh and Scotland is better off under the SNP because the Barnett formula is broken in their favour. Per head Scotland roughly spends £12000 per person yet only raises £10000, even you can figure that out Jambo.

Don't try to reason with Jambo he is so deluded about Scotland and the policies of the SNP its pointless.

 

[EvilMonkee]

I am voting UKIP too and I am not a racist. I don't care what nationality you are - for me the issue is Europe, we need to regain control over our own borders, we need to stop pissing money down the drain within Europe and redirect it to the poor here. I actually have no problem with immigration in an ageing society but we need to put the interests of British people ahead of those arriving on these shores. Guess I am a left wing UKIPer if that makes sense LOL.

 

[Jambo88]

Trident is more about securing our place on the world stage within the auspices of the UN. We would wield considerably less world influence.

Oh and Scotland is better off under the SNP because the Barnett formula is broken in their favour. Per head Scotland roughly spends £12000 per person yet only raises £10000, even you can figure that out Jambo.

Don't try to reason with Jambo he is so deluded about Scotland and the policies of the SNP its pointless.

:lol:

I'm sorry I want the best for my kids. People in Scotland also paid more tax per person than the rest of the UK. Here's a little bit from the guardian

Scotland accounted for 9.3% of UK public spending between 2008-09 and 2012-13, while generating 9.5% of tax receipts - it put in more than it got out. It suggests that tax receipts are currently 14% higher in Scotland than the rest of the UK

So Scotland is short 0.2% by giving money to London. But we're not getting into this again.

If we got rid of trident and stopped sucking up America and backing them up in wars maybe we would have more influence because other countries might be more willing to do business with us. It doesn't effect Australia not having nukes.

 

[Jambo88]

I am voting UKIP too and I am not a racist. I don't care what nationality you are - for me the issue is Europe, we need to regain control over our own borders, we need to stop pissing money down the drain within Europe and redirect it to the poor here. I actually have no problem with immigration in an ageing society but we need to put the interests of British people ahead of those arriving on these shores. Guess I am a left wing UKIPer if that makes sense LOL.

You make out Britian is the number 1 destination for immigrants. being in the EU benefits us you could move to Italy tomorrow if you wanted. Immigration has always caused problems here because people don't like change and its immigrants that get blamed for increased crime or tents being used in hospital car parks. Everyone should be treated the same no matter what nationality.

 

[EvilMonkee]

Nope didn't say that at all. I did say I have zero problems with immigration. Why is that hard for you to understand and why do you fell it necessary to invent some extra meaning to my words? I am voting UKIP because of the power the EU has over us and the money we contribute toward it which in my view would be better served staying in the country, nothing to do with immigration.

 

[EvilMonkee]

In any event I think as a nation that we will inevitably slip further from Europe.

This is the reason:

1. The EU wants the Euro to succeed, it would cost too much for it not too.

2. In order for the Euro to succeed you need further political union. I have tried to educate you on how fiscal and monetary union are necessary for a successful economy (in your case applied to Scotland and why they couldn't keep the pound and stay independent), hopefully you understand the principle.

3. The British people will not accept any further political union and certainly won't want the Euro based on the recent few years.

4. This inevitably means that as the EU pulls closer together as a political entity we will be left on the fringes.

5. As this occurs the only sensible response is to look at our own relationship with the EU and look at renegotiation and possible withdrawl.

 

[CES_williamson]

i think evil monkey sums up what i was going to say, i am for trident and even if the SNP does back up labour, they wont be able to get rid of nuclear missiles, no chance its what 50-60 MPs? with plaid and the greens so an extra 3 they still wont be able to overrule thhe 500+ that labour and the torys have considering they are both pro-trident.

On another note, if anyone has any actual questions on UKIP policy please ask away

 

[CES_williamson]

That's a massive amount of money we waste on an unnecessary deterrent. If the money was redistributed fairly and we invested in out own version of the USA's Strategic Defence Initiative then we would have more funds for the rest of the UK's military and other essential services, as well as being defended from ICBMs.

If hostilities between us and another country came to a point where nuclear missiles were launched by them, the missiles would be targeted at our nuclear missile silos as well as major population centres. If a nuclear missile were to hit a Trident silo, there could potentially be a massive secondary nuclear explosion. Jambo's right to be concerned about his proximity to one of the known Trident facilities, as his town would be well within the blast radius.

if if if, if we did yes im sure we would be fine, but we have trident and we dont have the USA strategic defence iniative we have trident, so we should renew it to keep it useful. yes probably, but if a nuclear missile hit a silo his town would be gone even if there where missiles there or not.

 

[CES_williamson]

You make out Britian is the number 1 destination for immigrants. being in the EU benefits us you could move to Italy tomorrow if you wanted. Immigration has always caused problems here because people don't like change and its immigrants that get blamed for increased crime or tents being used in hospital car parks. Everyone should be treated the same no matter what nationality.

it amuses me that your an SNP supporter on a UK airsoft forums considering they want to break up the union.

 

[Jambo88]

it amuses me that your an SNP supporter on a UK airsoft forums considering they want to break up the union.

what?

Seriously it's came to this?

Have I missed the SNP only part of the Internet?

What amuses me is UKIP want to break away from the EU and you support that. Scotland wants to break away from the UK and you ridicule that.The only diffrence is we never wanted to stop people living and working here like UKIP.

 

[Jambo88]

if if if, if we did yes im sure we would be fine, but we have trident and we dont have the USA strategic defence iniative we have trident, so we should renew it to keep it useful. yes probably, but if a nuclear missile hit a silo his town would be gone even if there where missiles there or not.

Scotland wouldn't be a target without these missiles. Tell me who is going to nuke us anyway?

 

[M_P]

i just feel this argument is pointless as you wont listen

Anyone else see the irony in this?

 

[AirsoftTed]

CES, I studied politics too. And I'm asussming we're roughly the same age, maybe I'm a smidgin older. Just because we did a 2 year course on politics doesn't make your opinion on politics anymore right that anyone elses lol.

I'm sure UKIP would be putting all of their "taboo" views on official websites and documents for the world to see lol. Dismissing any racist or homophobic views just because theyre "closeted" is ridiculous, surely that makes them all the more dangerous, as it'll be them finding their ways to into positions of power without our knowledge and thus having influence over things any sane person would want them having no influence over.

I'm sure if Hitler would have advertised his intentions for the final solution and all the other stuff he got upto in his closet, the people of Germany would have really rallied behind him eh! Wonder why it was all kept a secret. (And no to anyone moronic enough to think I'm making a direct comparison between Hitler and Nigel Farrage, I am not, and you must be an idiot.)

 

[EvilMonkee]

Just for laughs.

Nicola Sturgeon - Jimmy Krankie in disugise. Discuss.

For our younger viewers Google the Krankies - you will be very disturbed.

 

[n1ckh]

Hahaha

The krankies were excellent

 

[beastmode]

Yeah I wouldn't trust this woman...

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[Sitting Duck]

You make out Britian is the number 1 destination for immigrants......

hmmmmmm......

just risked my life in a flimsy boat, but just about arrived in Italy, now shall I pop over to say Greece ???

Or somewhere else perhaps further with a crappier climate but lots more freebies ????

Yeah - lets pop over to Greece - not

No I am not racist - but if UK isn't #1 it must be a very very close 2nd or in the top 3

The UK has and probably will continue to reduce its outgoings in a bid to reduce its debt

This applies to all areas - some I don't agree to but all the same reductions need to be made

However - moment any mention of reducing immigrantion - racism comes to mind ???

There is a balance in everything - it is a very techy taboo subject that all countries suffer with - USA, Australia etc....

Even a "points" system will not solve it I fully understand that - but it would be a start at least

Lots of parties acknowledge and even talk about do something - but so far they have done very little/nothing

The other main parties got their ar$es kicked with the Euro Elections - yes it probably was protest vote with UKIP gaining so much ground

But now comes the time that they - the main parties are so desperate for our votes they will say anything....

Yet the 2 main parties have had their terms in office but very little has been implemented

Not just on immigration - loads of proposals could have come into effect - screw the red tape they all try to blame

Sorry but if a goverment - or really anybody wants to do something then very little would deter them if somebody really really wanted to fufill their plan

But I strongly feel the UK is on most immigrants short list, if we are making reductions everywhere else

why not immigration is what many UK citizens are wondering ?

Racist ??? - forget UK a sec - I feel we are a little way off before we carry out attacks like those seen in South Africa

I have no plans to start building any Gas Chambers but just feel perhaps we need to ease up a bit on immigration - at least for a short while perhaps

And as for any party pulling us out of Europe - bollox

it will be a vote by the people who decide if we withdraw or not - the people will decide not the parties

I would love a vote if we should stay or go - but if the vote is to stay in Europe and the UK citizens decides

I will gladly accept it and that will be that for I guess the next generation to decide should it arise in the future

I won't bitch n moan, resign from my post as leader the next day or hint I want a re-run

 

[Sitting Duck]

On the subject of not getting dragged into wars that don't concern us....

yes the UK has stuck its nose into quite a few conflicts that don't concern us

yes we still await the outcome on Iraq/Blair bollox until after the election....

Still if we kept our noses out of other countries - I suppose the whole Scotland Europe and who to vote for UK goverment wouldn't be an issue

We could very likely be in Europe for good - Hiltler's Europe