General election

[JamesAirsofterAgent]

Wrong Meme James. Learn the Meme's if you're going to use them

I'm still working out the difference between a gif and a meme and a picture....

 

[EvilMonkee]

Yes the Free State was introduced in 1922 but it wasn't a separate country was it - still had dominion status and was in the Commonwealth till 1948. I know my Irish history mate being from Belfast....;p

 

[AirsoftTed]

Whilst that's true, we did remain a dominion, the Balfour Treaty of 1926 recognised us aswell as all the other dominons of the British empire as autonomoous, not to patronise you mate as I'm fully aware you'll know what it means because I can tell you're an intelligent bloke, but for the sake of those who dont know:

1.
Government.

1. self-governing; independent; subject to its own laws only.
2. pertaining to an autonomy, or a self-governing community.
   

2. having autonomy; not subject to control from outside; independent:

That'd still mean two years "independent" and using the pound

Anyway we could throw arguements back and forth till the end of time, we're just using up server space eh lol!

My family's from S. Armargh and Donegal.

 

[EvilMonkee]

My Mum's family is all from Loughiel in Antrim and my Gran was from Ballynahinch. I was born in Ballymoney, mostly raised in Coleraine and now live in England. Miss home but don't miss the bullshit that goes with everyday life, which I am sure you of all people understand about the North!

 

[AirsoftTed]

Uft you're no wrong at all there mate. Had the misfortune of growing up in London so always got stick for being Irish and Scottish :lol: It's a shame people can't leave the sectarian crap in the past. Glasgow is getting better, it all seems to have turned into friendly banter. If Celtic and Rangers can manage that then theres some hope left in the world eh!

 

[CES_williamson]

cba to read the debate above, i would vote ukip but i cant i have 1 more year to go, but my dad,sister and mother are all voting UKIP as with 90% of the people i know. they speak the truth, people used to call them racist but their leadership, manifesto and 99.9% of members arent, its just a few who might be closet racists and if they get found out they get expelled and barred from the party. farage speaks the truth and his manifesto looks good, as for the other parties, the torys seem to have the right ideas, if they where to committ to 2% of GDP on defence i would probably try to get family and friends to vote for them, but considering they havnt, i just cant help them out to family and friends, considering i am signing up to the army within the next week, it would be harder for me to get a place due to the man power cuts. im not really bothered about other issues as they all say the same stuff really. Before anyone says i dont know what im saying, im currently studying politics at A-level and i plan to do a politics degree later on.

if you want to question me please do, im always happy to anwser questions on UKIP as long as they arent stupid questions like "why are you a racist" because i am not personally, nor are UKIP as a party, where ever you are from what ever your heritage is, we all the same on the inside so i dont get why anyone would have a problem with people from other races. but any questions on policy or stances on issues please dont hesitate to ask as i know quite a fair bit on UKIP.

 

[Monty]

if you want to question me please do, im always happy to anwser questions on UKIP as long as they arent stupid questions like "why are you a racist" because i am not personally, nor are UKIP as a party

That isn't a stupid question to ask at all.

 

[Jambo88]

cba to read the debate above, i would vote ukip but i cant i have 1 more year to go, but my dad,sister and mother are all voting UKIP as with 90% of the people i know. they speak the truth, people used to call them racist but their leadership, manifesto and 99.9% of members arent, its just a few who might be closet racists and if they get found out they get expelled and barred from the party. farage speaks the truth and his manifesto looks good, as for the other parties, the torys seem to have the right ideas, if they where to committ to 2% of GDP on defence i would probably try to get family and friends to vote for them, but considering they havnt, i just cant help them out to family and friends, considering i am signing up to the army within the next week, it would be harder for me to get a place due to the man power cuts. im not really bothered about other issues as they all say the same stuff really. Before anyone says i dont know what im saying, im currently studying politics at A-level and i plan to do a politics degree later on.

if you want to question me please do, im always happy to anwser questions on UKIP as long as they arent stupid questions like "why are you a racist" because i am not personally, nor are UKIP as a party, where ever you are from what ever your heritage is, we all the same on the inside so i dont get why anyone would have a problem with people from other races. but any questions on policy or stances on issues please dont hesitate to ask as i know quite a fair bit on UKIP.

Where do you stand on forgein aid getting cut?

As you want to join the army humanitarian work could be part of your job. Also UKIPs answer to most problems is reduce immigration. With our ageing population and work shy attitude by a lot of our younger generation our economy wouldn't cope.

 

[CES_williamson]

Where do you stand on forgein aid getting cut?

As you want to join the army humanitarian work could be part of your job. Also UKIPs answer to most problems is reduce immigration. With our ageing population and work shy attitude by a lot of our younger generation our economy wouldn't cope.

well i feel in times of serious austerity and hardship for people in the UK sending a billion pounds a month abroad probably isnt the best option, so i believe in foreign aid but not in the numbers its at now.

Yes it could quite possibly yes,im not against foreign aid as a whole just in the numbers it is at now. i wouldn't say their answer to most problems is to reduce immigration but the stance is that if we did cut down on immigration then a lot of public services wont be under as much pressure, Well i agree the younger generation is work shy, but if wages where to increase then this will help, with taking the lowest earners out of income tax which UKIP propose i believe that will help, and also british workers not being able to employ foreign workers at a stupidly low wage rate, because their wont be enough of them for all workers to employ unskilled labour at a low wage rate this will encourage an increase in wages hopefully increasing incentives for younger generations to work as the money they earn will be worth it. Hope this is answers what you where asking

 

[CES_williamson]

That isn't a stupid question to ask at all.

yes it is? UKIP isnt a racist party, you cant say that just because a few EX members where racist or a few EX candidates said racist things then they are racist. it is very hard for a new party to gain 650 candidates and thousands of councilors who are qualified for the job who arent already snatched up by other parties without a few being bad eggs, and at every point the party leadership has cracked down and been very strict on people saying stupid stuff, by expelling them from the party. you should look at the amount of labour or tory members and candidates who say racist, homophobic and down right horrible stuff. its just UKIP gets reported on more because they are a new party. im all for scrutiny of parties but there has to be a line where it becomes stupid with other parties not being reported on.

 

[Jambo88]

well i feel in times of serious austerity and hardship for people in the UK sending a billion pounds a month abroad probably isnt the best option, so i believe in foreign aid but not in the numbers its at now.

Yes it could quite possibly yes,im not against foreign aid as a whole just in the numbers it is at now. i wouldn't say their answer to most problems is to reduce immigration but the stance is that if we did cut down on immigration then a lot of public services wont be under as much pressure, Well i agree the younger generation is work shy, but if wages where to increase then this will help, with taking the lowest earners out of income tax which UKIP propose i believe that will help, and also british workers not being able to employ foreign workers at a stupidly low wage rate, because their wont be enough of them for all workers to employ unskilled labour at a low wage rate this will encourage an increase in wages hopefully increasing incentives for younger generations to work as the money they earn will be worth it. Hope this is answers what you where asking

our public services would be under pressure anyway. I'll make this short and simple. The UK makes a profit from immigrants. Also the UK stole from a lot of country's for years with its empire so we should give something back and as a tax payer I'm glad my money goes towards humanitarian aid and not just some work shy idiot that blames workers coming here for stealing jobs. It's not the immigrants fault they are better qualified and educated than someone that's in and out of jail and doesn't want to work hard.

 

[CES_williamson]

our public services would be under pressure anyway. I'll make this short and simple. The UK makes a profit from immigrants. Also the UK stole from a lot of country's for years with its empire so we should give something back and as a tax payer I'm glad my money goes towards humanitarian aid and not just some work shy idiot that blames workers coming here for stealing jobs. It's not the immigrants fault they are better qualified and educated than someone that's in and out of jail and doesn't want to work hard.

well in UKIP they believe that britain if given half the chance could do better, yes your right the UK does make a profit of immigrants, but if we where to replace immigrants doing unskilled work with british people then the british people would be making that profit. they stole for years- 100+ years ago! we should give something back i agree just not a billion pounds a month which 90% goes on bureaucracy and corrupt governments! with a national health service which is struggling, education system stretched etc, if we sort the problems out at home first then yes i am happy for more foreign aid but right now its too much in my opinion.

they aren't better qualified its just they will work for less meaning British people are cut out of the chance for those jobs,okay let me give you an example, my parents employ a part time maintenance worker to help with jobs around the properties that they own, he is a british worker about the age of 60, he tries to work the rest of his hours for other businesses, but with the cheap labour from other parts of the EU he cant get work, he charges a reasonable price for a good job, but people who come from other countries will work for less than he charges for a worse job but as they work for cheaper he doesn't get a chance.

Im not saying that they steal all the jobs so that is the only reason for unemployment, but i feel if british workers where to be given more of a chance over foreign workers then it will help with unemployment. But you also have to remember UKIP arent anti-immigration they just want to control it, and on a year by year basis a independent body would inform a UKIP government (very unlikely i admit) on what skills and the amount of immigration we need. the current figure is around 50,000 by UKIP research but i presume it will be higher to address what we need as a country.

 

[TacMaster]

On the subject of humanitarian aid, if we drastically cut the amount that we donate to other countries be it in emergency goods or just financial aid, that could make the UK's image extremely poor, especially as how just a couple of centuries ago we were exploiting the world for money to line our own pockets. We should definitely give back to the world, partly because of this.

Some of these arguments against foreign aid (such as "why do we send our money to India when they have a space program" etc.) don't take into account how much it helps the needy people in other countries. Take India for example (I have family who've been and lived there so I have a fair amount of second hand experience) while there is a burgeoning middle class in India, there's still a massive gap between the poor and the rest- slums are an incredibly common occurrence there while the closest you get to them in the EU are shanty towns of immigrants in Normandy etc.

While there are still needy people in the UK, they have access to housing, benefits, free accessible schooling, the NHS (it may be going down the drain at the moment but it's still much better than healthcare in some countries) and much better pay as the minimum wage is very high compared with other countries. There are kids in Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, Pakistan, China and indeed in India who earn as little as 80p a day (and even less) working in sweatshops, making trainers for the West, while potentially suffering from illnesses.

As well as this, they don't even have the ability to pull themselves out of this situation as school is often inaccessible for them- and even then they would not be able to go as their meager income is all that supports them and any younger siblings.

Humanitarian aid cuts are possibly the worst thing to do at this moment in time, seeing as upwards of 2,500 people have been killed in the recent earthquakes in Nepal with potentially thousands more injured. Nearly all of these people have lost their homes, people in Nepal's capital are living in tents and probably will be for some months. £5m has been given by us so far and I believe more should be given.

I understand that a lot of the aid is given to corrupt governments and it is not distributed properly, however it's a case of controlling who gets the aid after a thorough assessment rather than cutting it completely.

 

[Jambo88]

well in UKIP they believe that britain if given half the chance could do better, yes your right the UK does make a profit of immigrants, but if we where to replace immigrants doing unskilled work with british people then the british people would be making that profit. they stole for years- 100+ years ago! we should give something back i agree just not a billion pounds a month which 90% goes on bureaucracy and corrupt governments! with a national health service which is struggling, education system stretched etc, if we sort the problems out at home first then yes i am happy for more foreign aid but right now its too much in my opinion.

they aren't better qualified its just they will work for less meaning British people are cut out of the chance for those jobs,okay let me give you an example, my parents employ a part time maintenance worker to help with jobs around the properties that they own, he is a british worker about the age of 60, he tries to work the rest of his hours for other businesses, but with the cheap labour from other parts of the EU he cant get work, he charges a reasonable price for a good job, but people who come from other countries will work for less than he charges for a worse job but as they work for cheaper he doesn't get a chance.

Im not saying that they steal all the jobs so that is the only reason for unemployment, but i feel if british workers where to be given more of a chance over foreign workers then it will help with unemployment. But you also have to remember UKIP arent anti-immigration they just want to control it, and on a year by year basis a independent body would inform a UKIP government (very unlikely i admit) on what skills and the amount of immigration we need. the current figure is around 50,000 by UKIP research but i presume it will be higher to address what we need as a country.

Forgein people get employed over Brits because of 1 reason work ethic. I've never worked with a forgeiner in the same position that gets paid less than me but they work harder. Hard work makes money. Moaning and sneaking off for a fag break is unproductive so a company will loose money. British people have and the example is called competition all businesses try under cut each other doesnt matter if they are polish plumbers or British. Also were not giving billions away per month it's 10-12 billion per year. We could get rid of trident and save more but no one is willing to do that apart from the SNP and greens. If UKIP come into power( no chance) what they going to do to stop immigrants flocking here before the EU referendum? Because once they're here we can't move them unless they break the law even then it will be difficult to deport them. We won't pull out of Europe overnight so really they could face 10years worth of immigration in a few months.

 

[CES_williamson]

Forgein people get employed over Brits because of 1 reason work ethic. I've never worked with a forgeiner in the same position that gets paid less than me but they work harder. Hard work makes money. Moaning and sneaking off for a fag break is unproductive so a company will loose money. British people have and the example is called competition all businesses try under cut each other doesnt matter if they are polish plumbers or British. Also were not giving billions away per month it's 10-12 billion per year. We could get rid of trident and save more but no one is willing to do that apart from the SNP and greens. If UKIP come into power( no chance) what they going to do to stop immigrants flocking here before the EU referendum? Because once they're here we can't move them unless they break the law even then it will be difficult to deport them. We won't pull out of Europe overnight so really they could face 10years worth of immigration in a few months.

you make many points in that comment but i just want to pick up on a few, one, is that its not just work ethic its also lower pay, i never said we give billions a month i said 1 billion a month so dont twist my words, and even talking about getting rid of trident is horrible, getting rid of the one thing that prevents nuclear war, its not a good idea, to get rid of trident hence we never will.

The SNP and greens have no idea how to run an economy if we have no more austerity and we just spend more our gov borrowing will rise, which will cause the national debt to rise meaning we will have to continue to pay the 50+ billion pounds a year on interest on that debt. i would like to see the national debt eliminated meaning we dont have to pay any more massive interest payments on it. and conspiring about what would happen with immigration in the event of an EU referendum is pointless, and considering we will still have the same amount of flights, ferries and trains between here and mainland europe i dont see millions of people coming across.

The left wing wont win the election so there really isnt any point in voting for them, because if cameron even gets around 290 MP's there will easily be a deal between the torys, UKIP, the DUP and Lib Dems, easily forming a majority of 326 seats. Even if ed gets more seats the torys will form a government first so they wont get a chance to! its the current prime minister who gets a chance to form the government first unless a party gets a majority irrespective of the amount of seats another party gets as long as its under 326. I understand you are Scottish so its hard to get an unbiased right-wing view up there but take a look at what happened when the left used to be in government. economic chaos.

 

[CES_williamson]

On the subject of humanitarian aid, if we drastically cut the amount that we donate to other countries be it in emergency goods or just financial aid, that could make the UK's image extremely poor, especially as how just a couple of centuries ago we were exploiting the world for money to line our own pockets. We should definitely give back to the world, partly because of this.

Some of these arguments against foreign aid (such as "why do we send our money to India when they have a space program" etc.) don't take into account how much it helps the needy people in other countries. Take India for example (I have family who've been and lived there so I have a fair amount of second hand experience) while there is a burgeoning middle class in India, there's still a massive gap between the poor and the rest- slums are an incredibly common occurrence there while the closest you get to them in the EU are shanty towns of immigrants in Normandy etc.

While there are still needy people in the UK, they have access to housing, benefits, free accessible schooling, the NHS (it may be going down the drain at the moment but it's still much better than healthcare in some countries) and much better pay as the minimum wage is very high compared with other countries. There are kids in Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, Pakistan, China and indeed in India who earn as little as 80p a day (and even less) working in sweatshops, making trainers for the West, while potentially suffering from illnesses.

As well as this, they don't even have the ability to pull themselves out of this situation as school is often inaccessible for them- and even then they would not be able to go as their meager income is all that supports them and any younger siblings.

Humanitarian aid cuts are possibly the worst thing to do at this moment in time, seeing as upwards of 2,500 people have been killed in the recent earthquakes in Nepal with potentially thousands more injured. Nearly all of these people have lost their homes, people in Nepal's capital are living in tents and probably will be for some months. £5m has been given by us so far and I believe more should be given.

I understand that a lot of the aid is given to corrupt governments and it is not distributed properly, however it's a case of controlling who gets the aid after a thorough assessment rather than cutting it completely.

i see the benefit of foreign aid but i think a smaller budget spend a lot wiser would be a lot more effective than how it is dealt with now.

I would rather see instead of us just giving money away we buy tents, hire teachers, build schools etc instead of just giving money to governments.and even buying food or farming equipment for people of less developed countries.

 

[Jambo88]

you make many points in that comment but i just want to pick up on a few, one, is that its not just work ethic its also lower pay, i never said we give billions a month i said 1 billion a month so dont twist my words, and even talking about getting rid of trident is horrible, getting rid of the one thing that prevents nuclear war, its not a good idea, to get rid of trident hence we never will.

The SNP and greens have no idea how to run an economy if we have no more austerity and we just spend more our gov borrowing will rise, which will cause the national debt to rise meaning we will have to continue to pay the 50+ billion pounds a year on interest on that debt. i would like to see the national debt eliminated meaning we dont have to pay any more massive interest payments on it. and conspiring about what would happen with immigration in the event of an EU referendum is pointless, and considering we will still have the same amount of flights, ferries and trains between here and mainland europe i dont see millions of people coming across.

The left wing wont win the election so there really isnt any point in voting for them, because if cameron even gets around 290 MP's there will easily be a deal between the torys, UKIP, the DUP and Lib Dems, easily forming a majority of 326 seats. Even if ed gets more seats the torys will form a government first so they wont get a chance to! its the current prime minister who gets a chance to form the government first unless a party gets a majority irrespective of the amount of seats another party gets as long as its under 326. I understand you are Scottish so its hard to get an unbiased right-wing view up there but take a look at what happened when the left used to be in government. economic chaos.

Scotland's ecconomy is better than the rest of the UK thanks to the SNP. Also how would getting rid of nuclear weapons be a disaster? Who are we going to use them on? we don't need WMD now. And if the UK ever used them I can see a lot of people here being angry it would cause chaos here. Back on to the employment subject people only pay what a job is worth. If I wanted a new bathroom fitted and 1 plumber said it will cost £5000 and the other £4750 I'm going to go for the cheaper option no matter what the nationality is I'm not xenophobic. Which you and UKIP are

 

[CES_williamson]

Scotland's ecconomy is better than the rest of the UK thanks to the SNP. Also how would getting rid of nuclear weapons be a disaster? Who are we going to use them on? we don't need WMD now. And if the UK ever used them I can see a lot of people here being angry it would cause chaos here. Back on to the employment subject people only pay what a job is worth. If I wanted a new bathroom fitted and 1 plumber said it will cost £5000 and the other £4750 I'm going to go for the cheaper option no matter what the nationality is I'm not xenophobic. Which you and UKIP are

Okay your not understanding what im saying, the whole point of nukes is that we wont have to use them because we have them, if we get rid of them there is nothing stopping another country threatening to use them on us. and you are getting the complete wrong end of the stick as to what i am trying to say. this argument is pointless you have different view to me, if you have any questions on policy and what it explaining im happy to but i really cant be bothered to do a trident and unemployment argument with someone who has no idea what the rest of the UK is like.

 

[Jambo88]

Okay your not understanding what im saying, the whole point of nukes is that we wont have to use them because we have them, if we get rid of them there is nothing stopping another country threatening to use them on us. and you are getting the complete wrong end of the stick as to what i am trying to say. this argument is pointless you have different view to me, if you have any questions on policy and what it explaining im happy to but i really cant be bothered to do a trident and unemployment argument with someone who has no idea what the rest of the UK is like.

So we spend TRILLIONS on ornamental nuclear weapons yet people go to bed hungry at night in this country. Kids go hungry and that's justifiable because we could be attacked? If we're attacked with nukes we will die so would it matter if hit them back you won't know you'll be incinerated or die of radiation poisoning. I think my view on trident is more important than yours because it sits 60miles from my house. How far are they from you?

Your backing out because you can't back your argument up. A Lot like UKIP

 

[CES_williamson]

So we spend TRILLIONS on ornamental nuclear weapons yet people go to bed hungry at night in this country. Kids go hungry and that's justifiable because we could be attacked? If we're attacked with nukes we will die so would it matter if hit them back you won't know you'll be incinerated or die of radiation poisoning. I think my view on trident is more important than yours because it sits 60miles from my house. How far are they from you?

Your backing out because you can't back your argument up. A Lot like UKIP

1 we dont spend trillions,we spend billions 2 your view on trident is your own, doesnt mean its better. 3. it means literally nothing that you live closer, we are from the same country 3. im not backing out i just feel this argument is pointless as you wont listen, i am happy to continue i just think its pointless as i was asking if anyone had any questions on UKIP policy which i am happy to discuss not a flipping trident debate which is always pointless as they will be kept (thank god) no matter what you think. as the 2 main parties have said they are keeping them no matter what.