Gas efficiency issues, anyideas team?

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Any advice on gas efficiency?

I’ve done everything I can think of or have been advised to do to make my Tavor useable, no dice so far. 

This lot didn’t work:

Cooled mags, filled, warmed
Replaced fill valves with known good ones
Properly lubed all internals, bolt is free running.
Rebuilt nozzle and opened up exit hole to ease pressure on system.
Replaced feedlips with Unifeeds
Shimmed gas routers

The only way the gun runs useably is on HPA

I’m open to any and all advice ??‍♂️

 
Can you expand on the efficiency a little my friend. :)

Is it wasting a lot on each shot? Is it not completely firing a full mag off to empty before gas depletion? Or something else?

 
Can you expand on the efficiency a little my friend. :)

Is it wasting a lot on each shot? Is it not completely firing a full mag off to empty before gas depletion? Or something else?


First 12 or so shots, exactly as expected, then less and less power  up to 19th bb, then mag degasses remainder (only a very small amount), then nothing.

Not obviously wasting gas until about the 15th bb

Typically, KWA gas M4 mags fills last around 60bb’s, or one and a half mags

 
Would it not be worth reverting each mod back to stock bit by bit to see if things improve? So you can isolate the cause?

 
Have you looked at the trigger group? Perhaps the mags are being emptied quicker because the hammer is keeping the valve open for too long?

 
I’ll resist the urge to give my usual sarcastic KWA answer as it’s you ?

When you manually cycle the bolt, does the nozzle stick inside the bucking like it should until the bolt is to the half way point(ish) before springing back? Could be loosing gas there.

the float valve spring could be too stiff and it’s not allowing the float valve to do its job properly.

Do you have a kwa npas? Might be worth trying that and seeing how the adjustment effects the gas efficiency. I had a similar issue with that shitty mega arms. 

Piston compression. Does it have an o ring or one of those crappy piston skirt things? That’s usually an area of improvement of WE GBBR’s. 

Valve knocker issue. Perhaps it’s letting too much gas out of the mag or not returning to the rest position quick enough. 

Failing that, I’d say something is off spec like the BCG cylinder has been machined wrong. 

You’ve got 3 seal areas. Hop bucking, nozzle seal and mag to nozzle mating. If it’s neither of those things it has to be at the point the gas is entered into the system or a float valve issue. Have you tried other mags?

 
I’ll resist the urge to give my usual sarcastic KWA answer as it’s you ?


Bwahahahaha

When you manually cycle the bolt, does the nozzle stick inside the bucking like it should until the bolt is to the half way point(ish) before springing back? Could be loosing gas there


Unfortunately not, works exactly as it should (now I stripped, cleaned and rebuilt the bolt lol



the float valve spring could be too stiff and it’s not allowing the float valve to do its job properly.


Good shout ??

Do you have a kwa npas? Might be worth trying that and seeing how the adjustment effects the gas efficiency. I had a similar issue with that shitty mega arms.


I don’t, that’s the reason I enlarged the exit hole though, I’ll get one 

Piston compression. Does it have an o ring or one of those crappy piston skirt things? That’s usually an area of improvement of WE GBBR’s. 


O-Ring, and a good fit, much better than the the crappy Vector skirt

Valve knocker issue. Perhaps it’s letting too much gas out of the mag or not returning to the rest position quick enough. 


Another likely culprit, I’m tying to order a complete new set of springs at the moment??

Failing that, I’d say something is off spec like the BCG cylinder has been machined wrong. 

 

You’ve got 3 seal areas. Hop bucking, nozzle seal and mag to nozzle mating. If it’s neither of those things it has to be at the point the gas is entered into the system or a float valve issue. Have you tried other mags?


Sorry, BCG.

I’ve PTF’d the hop rubber where it attaches to the barrel, does t seem to be obviously blowing at the seal, and I thought mag to nozzle, but my (rather hasty) first attempt at shimming the gas router made no difference. Any experience on materials and thickness you. An suggest?

Float valve seems likely as well, I have 8 mags, all do exactly the same, which makes me think it’s the rifle.

Cheers @Wo1f really appreciate your time, given me some more avenues??

replaced hammer or recoil spring?


Recoil spring is massive, not easy to replace, and seems OK, I’ll be trying to get hold of a complete new spring set, cheers ??

 
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I’ve got a system 7 NPAS. PM me your address and I’ll send it to you.

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ive shimmed a scar H mag before using that soft plastic stuff that holds 4 cans of Guinness together. Seemed to work quite well ?

 
Maybe worth seeing if it'll run with lighter hammer /recoil set to ease the cycle.

 
Unfortunately, there are zero alternatives on the market at the moment, but a good thought, thanks
This may not be useful as it may work differently ,but. I've tweaked recoil springs on pistols before by cropping the spring to the length of travel then if the spring is not enough I add shims on the guide rod to increase the compression of the spring . You can do the same on a straight hammer spring but you can also bend lever springs to reduce tension if you are careful.

 
This may not be useful as it may work differently ,but. I've tweaked recoil springs on pistols before by cropping the spring to the length of travel then if the spring is not enough I add shims on the guide rod to increase the compression of the spring . You can do the same on a straight hammer spring but you can also bend lever springs to reduce tension if you are careful.


I got a response from Esti at  kscpart.com last night, no factory parts will be available  until May at the earliest, so I think you’re on the right track.

Ill try the NPAS, and see what can be done about the trigger spring??

 
I think the KWA's are built without the use in cold climate in mind as their primary markets are warmer places than our cold little island. 

 
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