E&C recoil

[ak2m4]

yes, currently a few of us are doing reliability tests. it's not without problems. our hope is that e&c listen and improve the product.

 

[ButcherBill]

View: https://youtu.be/IwWPhOBgpzw?si=zMJvAr2hBGEeZKie

 

[Colin Allen]

yes, currently a few of us are doing reliability tests. it's not without problems. our hope is that e&c listen and improve the product.

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Having seen your's and Luke's videos, I doubt that I will be getting one until they have made some changes, including redesigning the magwell to work with a wider range of midcaps and improving the durability of some of the internal components.

 

[The_Lord_Poncho]

Having seen your's and Luke's videos, I doubt that I will be getting one until they have made some changes, including redesigning the magwell to work with a wider range of midcaps and improving the durability of some of the internal components.

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They look rather good, but to only fit hi-cap mags seems odd. I wonder if it would be a simple mod to ensure that most mid-caps fit.

 

[mightyjebus]

Looks like the gearbox is a copy or made by LDT which made a gearbox for gel blasters. Check youtube for videos on the LDT ATM gearbox. The only changes I can see is the change to the mag detection and probably a slightly different BB feed. I like the look of it as an idea and I've ordered one. I'd be interested to see if it can be swapped into other AEG shells to make more models that currently aren't for sale. I have E&C MCX and it would be good to have this engine inside that shell.

 

[Colin Allen]

They look rather good, but to only fit hi-cap mags seems odd. I wonder if it would be a simple mod to ensure that most mid-caps fit.

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The spring housing on top of a midcap is longer than on a high cap; the extra length seems to be the problem. The APS UAR V1 and V2 had the same issue, which could be solved by minor surgery in the magwell. It looks like the mag detection buttons might prevent this being the case for the E&C.

However, it seems that CYMA midcaps work in the E&C.

 

[BigAl]

Not looking good so far, though Luke and ak2m4 are working on it and potentially sourcing some CNC parts for it. Luke does say its cheap as chips though, wonder how cheap? No doubt it’ll be a lot more but wonder what the new KWA system will be like when we see it, hopefully in a few months.

 

[mightyjebus]

I understand Negatives point as he has to make money so for him it's not the best AEG as it works out the box and doesn't allow much room for the current trend of "boy racering" every new AEG with brushless this and fancy reinforced that. I've seen nothing on AK2M4's, Negatives or anyone else's video reviews that shows it doesn't fire BB's out the end without being tinkered with.
It fires around 1J and the trigger response is as fast as a GBB. The only thing worth tinkering with would be the hop up and hop rubber for consistency and accuracy and possibly the main spring to get it as close to the limits of your local site. For the hop rubber it looks like it will take most GBB rubbers and nubs and if you want to go crazy I'd imagine it could be S-hopped without too much trouble so you can sling .48's at 1J. The spring seems the difficult part if it isn't a common sniper rifle spring size however it won't be too long before aftermarket springs appear if the AEG sells well. Inner barrels should be a breeze if you need more accuracy at 50 meters however moving forward 5 meters might save you a few bob.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[ak2m4]

@mightyjebus I am planning on doing some more videos but last week my barrels came in stock and I didn't have any free time. You're quite right in your assessment. I really need to do some more reliability tests out of the box, plus want to fit one my my new GBB inner barrels and new rubber.

Where did you order yours from?

 

[mightyjebus]

I ordered mine from 18airsoft and due to the Chinese new year is likely to be posted today. I have this and a Mini 14 coming from Octagon and it's a guess to which one gets to my door first due to our customs.

 

[mightyjebus]

Mine turned up today. Stock was loose so had to tighten the screw. First midcap I tried fitted no problem so I got lucky there. Fires very nicely and has a very mechanical sound to the recoil. It's a very solid feeling AEG and the recoil is heavier than my GBB's. Bad points are it doesn't connect to my eshooter app and I still haven't figured out how to decock it.

 

[ButcherBill]

Isn't it common for the decocking happen when you hold the trigger on semi?

 

[mightyjebus]

Cheers @ButcherBill turns out it's a variation of that. remove the mag and dry fire until the bolt locks back (this should get rid of any BB in the inner barrel). Once locked back, release the bolt using the bolt release and keep the bolt release held down and pull the trigger (on Semi) and keep holding the trigger down. The gun will cycle and end up with the bolt to the front. After around 3 to 4 seconds the piston will release.

EDIT - if anyone was wondering my midcap is a double eagle midcap https://www.bespokeairsoft.co.uk/do...ies-mid-cap-magazine-polymer-185-rounds-black
10 quid a pop.

 

[mightyjebus]

so VSR style springs don't fit as they are too thick. My piston release has stopped working for some reason. Go through the sequence and it clicks after 4 seconds but doesn't release the piston. This was before I took the gearbox to bits so not my fault in this case
I fitted a Quantum hop rubber and it requires modding (cut off the tab) and the nub is too big so I had to chop it down to fit. Seems to be working and I'm getting 300 FPS on a 0.25g bb.