Blind Firing.

[Spartan09]

The phrase they tend to use in safety briefings is "we're not Americans"

site i go to often adds "or hollywood action heroes" on the end of that line...

This gets us back to the question of why sites don't just put the critical rules on a board, stick it up at the game zone entry, and say "Read that before you go out there, feel free to ask questions, don't plead ignorance."

RIFT do this, but also cover many of the more important or obscure rules in the actual briefing as well,  such as the "no running from grenades" rule that i havent seen at any other site.

Most likely answer they would get vandalised with a couple of days being put up at any wood land site.

answer to that is to have the head marshal/site owner remove it, then set it up again next game day...  avoids vandalism and allows the rule board to be amended if required

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

answer to that is to have the head marshal/site owner remove it, then set it up again next game day...  avoids vandalism and allows the rule board to be amended if required

I can't speak with certainty but I would imagine that verbally stating the rules and safety advice is an insurance/liability requirement. I've been a part of and lead heavy/oversized cargo lifts. Health & safety rules state that you actually have to go through a proper induction process. You can't just say "check the board"

 

[BigStew]

I can't speak with certainty but I would imagine that verbally stating the rules and safety advice is an insurance/liability requirement. I've been a part of and lead heavy/oversized cargo lifts. Health & safety rules state that you actually have to go through a proper induction process. You can't just say "check the board"

Most places I have played at the sign sheet also act as a declaration that the signer has read and agreed to follow the site rules. They also had a verbal brief.

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

Most places I have played at the sign sheet also act as a declaration that the signer has read and agreed to follow the site rules. They also had a verbal brief.

Yeah I'm just thinking of the time I had to tell an inebriated off duty police officer, that they couldn't smoke on the coach. In response to me also pointing at the "No Smoking" sign, her defence was "If it goes to court, I'll argue I'm blind and that's discrimination!"

 

[Rogerborg]

I can't speak with certainty but I would imagine that verbally stating the rules and safety advice is an insurance/liability requirement. I've been a part of and lead heavy/oversized cargo lifts. Health & safety rules state that you actually have to go through a proper induction process. You can't just say "check the board"

I'd argue quite the opposite.  If it comes to a dispute, where's the record of what you actually said?  This isn't abstract, it was the key disputed issue in the blinding compo case noted above.  Bear in mind that reality takes a back seat as soon as solicitors get involved: they are paid, professionally, to call you a liar.

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

I'd argue quite the opposite.  If it comes to a dispute, where's the record of what you actually said?  This isn't abstract, it was the key disputed issue in the blinding compo case noted above.  Bear in mind that reality takes a back seat as soon as solicitors get involved: they are paid, professionally, to call you a liar.

I guess site rules on the website and signed waivers "should" cover their bases on that ground.

Maybe they are all just aspiring comedians after all. 

 

[Rogerborg]

I guess site rules on the website and signed waivers "should" cover their bases on that ground.

If they were demonstrably there before the date of the incident, i.e. on archive.org 

This is also why sites who are run a via Facebook "About" page might also be making a liability rod for their own backs.

Thankfully there aren't a lot of incidents, and the Absolute Airsoft case went quiet so I assume was settled by the insurer out of court.  That's what indemnity insurance is there for, to cover you when things go wrong.

One thing I would highlight is that the Vowles vs Evans and Welsh Rugby Union court case has set a clear precedent that even unpair volunteer referees do owe a duty of care for the rules they agreed to help enforce.  So as well as not being thanked for marshalling, you might (just conceivably) find yourself named as a co-defendant.

 

[Tommikka]

Yeah I'm just thinking of the time I had to tell an inebriated off duty police officer, that they couldn't smoke on the coach. In response to me also pointing at the "No Smoking" sign, her defence was "If it goes to court, I'll argue I'm blind and that's discrimination!"

Lovely officer

She reminds me of the police officers who were caught speeding and went to court on the basis of either the lack of correctly spaced miniature reminder signs or that the 30mph speed sign was the smaller reminder diameter and not a full size sign.

They got off on the technicality, but I like to think that they suffered other consequences such as a stern talking to on the values & standards expected of the law - without coffee & biscuits 

 

[Tommikka]

On signs, disclaimers, web site rules, verbal briefs etc …… nobody pays full attention & you cannot assume.

People don’t read the part of the disclaimer that says that you are signing to confirm that you have read it.

At our first ever event the site planned to use their standard disclaimer - which was aimed at rental players, not own gunners.

So I went through the disclaimer with management & discussed what can and cannot be changed - particularly in the terms of site insurance.  

I could allow players to have guns in the safe zone - and therefore add all the rules on ensuring they are safe

I couldn’t allow players to self fill due to insurance terms on the fill station - which caused a dilemma in complying to a new event organizers collective set of rules which included air safety rules with training - I was permitted to run training, issue passes (valid for a year) and but not allow self fill for the rest of the day

(I expected that nobody would take up the training - but they did, and that allowed the next organizer to run a smaller session of only those that hadn’t been to our event)

Safety must be covered along all methods - and therefore not be reams of paper and hours of waffle 

Core rules should be repeated, no matter how many regulars are there 

Particularly at our events as we have ‘standard’ rules, our preferred rules and also specifics for how we want to run that event or mission - we’re probably trying out a rule or respawn option - we like barrel tags/knife kills & surrenders but there are specifics on what is an enforced rule (tag/knife) and what is an option (surrender) and also in certain formats we don’t allow them such as our Battle Royale format has no surrenders permitted (though I permitted one  surrender when two players met face to face seconds into the session rather than force a 2 inch kill)

 

[The Waco Kid]

  such as the "no running from grenades" rule that i havent seen at any other site.

Do you know what the think of this is?

Personally a grenade coming at me means I am charging the position it came from as they often don’t have their weapon ready…. Given the faffy way most players do this.

One thing I would highlight is that the Vowles vs Evans and Welsh Rugby Union court case has set a clear precedent that even unpair volunteer referees do owe a duty of care for the rules they agreed to help enforce.  So as well as not being thanked for marshalling, you might (just conceivably) find yourself named as a co-defendant.

An issue for player Marshall’s and “off duty” Marshall’s enjoying a skirmish too.

I know people in other sports who don’t tell people they are an instructor/coach when participating because they think that it will shield them should something go wrong.

 

[Cannonfodder]

Do you know what the think of this is?

Personally a grenade coming at me means I am charging the position it came from as they often don’t have their weapon ready…. Given the faffy way most players do this.

I've only played at The Ridge once, but IIRC it was to stop players getting pissy about spending money on grenades and not getting any kills with them

 

[Tommikka]

Personally a grenade coming at me means I am charging the position it came from as they often don’t have their weapon ready…. Given the faffy way most players do this.

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Do you mean like a player who puts their gun down against a tree, throws some smoke getting the attention of the photographer, posing for a photo shoot then ambling along to catch up with the action?

I have never done that, not ever, honest 

 

[MAX DICKER]

Do you mean like a player who puts their gun down against a tree, throws some smoke getting the attention of the photographer, posing for a photo shoot then ambling along to catch up with the action?

I have never done that, not ever, honest 

Or putting the gun down, stricking the cap, waiting for the glorious plume of colourful smoke to emerge before throwing...... only for it to actually be a thunderflash.

I have never done that, not ever, honest

 

[Tommikka]

Or putting the gun down, stricking the cap, waiting for the glorious plume of colourful smoke to emerge before throwing...... only for it to actually be a thunderflash.

I have never done that, not ever, honest

Or stood in the shed sorting through old pyro separating the good from the battered, damaged strikers etc before taking them off for a ‘safe’ bang

(the ones that have suffered from battering, or failed but not left in a field to be picked up by kids)

One of which having previously been an old school paper mache style BB grenade but only had the strip of striker tip, fuse & bang remaining

Straight to the ‘dispose’ pile 

But touching along the workbench as passing it over…… and Hiss……

Followed by prompt dropping

Followed by looking at the stack of pyro besides a hissing fuse

Pick up the hissing fuse

Turn around to throw out the door behind

Glance at the open kitchen door behind the shed

Drop fuse

Stand on fuse 

Feel thud

Be thankful for not stepping out in bare feet

 

[The Waco Kid]

I've only played at The Ridge once, but IIRC it was to stop players getting pissy about spending money on grenades and not getting any kills with them

I can kinda see that. ? But it goes bang, what’s not to like?

 Remember kids never go back to a lit firework. Well not unless you’re sure it will be fine this time. Or you’re on fourth Guinness and Bailey’s depth charger.

 

[Spartan09]

I've only played at The Ridge once, but IIRC it was to stop players getting pissy about spending money on grenades and not getting any kills with them

yeah, this is pretty much the reason.  and i can understand the reasoning, especially for the younger players that dont have as much money to throw around... (pun not intended)

 

[Rogerborg]

Guinness and Bailey’s depth charger

If that's a real thing, do you eat it with a spoon?

 

[The Waco Kid]

Just stain it through your teeth. Once you have gotten use to the texture of curdled milk it’s surprisingly horrid. ?

Goes well with Maryland cookies dipped in coleslaw though.

Needless to say the wife had gone out and it was the only option that didn’t involve making an effort.

 

[Tactical Pith Helmet]

I tried that years ago.  The Baileys curdles and turns to something akin to porridge.  

The cognoscenti put banana schnapps or Tia Maris in Guinness.  

 

[Lozart]

Pah, amateurs. Real men drink Snakebite and Baileys.