Tokyo Marui Evolt AEG System

[mightyjebus]

I think you would a little MR30 to MR30 extension cable to be able to extend the gearbox wiring into the PTS stock but they are easily knocked up.

no you are correct but the combination of new mosfet and recoil weight is hopefully going to be a better shooting experience that just the sewing machine noise you will get with the non recoil version.

 

[TheFull9]

I've mentioned this before but possibly worth mentioning again in here; on my NGRS MP5 I had the connector swapped for a normal deans and it works with bog standard 7.4s. Haven't used it extensively, but it absolutely shoots, cycles nicely, nothing weird. Obviously this is not widely tested so this is not legal advice and I'm not your lawyer (on account of not being a lawyer).

 

[lokkers]

My NGRS MP5 actually came with a MR30 > Deans adapter, and I've run it that way since (probably 4-5 full game days) with no problems on VapexTech LIPOs.

 

[Hatchet]

The proof will be in the pudding, so to speak, but I guess it depends on the logic of the FCU and what it defines as a safety condition. Possibilities include -

• No checking at all, any battery will work.
• Overall voltage checking with upper/lower limits - maybe any 7.4v lipo works, but 11.1v don't.
• Individual cell checking - gun won't work at all without being able to read each cell, requiring MR30 "balance" wired battery.

The MP5 they clearly expect you to be able to use other batteries because they include a tamiya convertor, which doesn't look to be the case here. Maybe the board *is* exactly the same and there's just no connector adapter because of space issues. Then again...

 

[heroshark]

I see. The battery fitting does seem a faf. Wasn't a fan of the recoil and I don't think I like the look of this either. Also noticed the lack of trades. Being stuck to use a particular stock because of the recoil system isn't great. I'm a fair weather player now (if at all) and the mws fits the bill perfectly without all this over complicated mechanics and electronics. I also like my 20rnd mags which I imagine will never be an option as will the original recoil. They've kinda made what the original recoil should have been and added some different drawbacks.

 

[mightyjebus]

I have a sneaking suspicion that the middle wire on the Evolt will be for the largely unspoken about Internal resistance of a Lipo battery. My guess is the MP5 has it but doesn't lock the AEG if it isn't there but on the Evolt it will be a "safety feature" and stop the gun from working if it isn't detected.

For info the IR is the Ohmage value of the cells and usually higher C Lipo's have a lower (better value) which might explain why the MP5 battery is 35C (most AEG's run on 20/25C Lipo's). The IR value is what kills a Lipo's eventually as over time it will increase generating more heat which puffs up the Lipo and it gets to a point that the resistance is so high that amps can't flow.

In theory, if you know what the Ohmage is meant to be then you could loop a small resister into the spare pin on the AEG plug and fool the Evolt into thinking the IR detection was present.

 

[Anonymoose]

I have a sneaking suspicion that the middle wire on the Evolt will be for the largely unspoken about Internal resistance of a Lipo battery.

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It's for a temperature sensor inside the Marui Li-Pos.

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[mightyjebus]

sort of. The IR Ohm reading can be converter to a temperature. If the Lipo is doing the temperature checking then it might be a straight digital 1 or 0 to tell the ECU that everything is good or bad. That makes a bit of sense as the 1 or 0 will go to a pin in an IC that keeps the AEG working when it has the right condition. I might tap my MP5 battery to see what is on the 3rd wire. I'm guessing 1.8v, 3v or 5v or something along those lines.
If I can find a decent hi-res photo of the new ECU it might be possible to identify an IC that takes a high-low input to function.

 

[rj1986]

Details about the recoil version

https://arca.live/b/airsoft2077/170016530

Headlines:
- 300gr bolt
- Have to chamber a round, and lock back on empty
- New FCS/Fet
- Split gearbox
- 120,000 JPY, approx £600 RRP.

 

[frazer900]

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[Sylithics]

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Crazy money and that’s not even buying the
fancy charger and batteries or the mags.. im not really that fussed with fps nowadays as there’s been loads of debates using heavier beebs etc etc but I’m guessing most people will want to get the fps up plus upgrade the thing..? Who knows could be the best thing since sliced bread. I’ll maybe be on the lookout for a pre owned one here one day! Haha

 

[Sylithics]

For a combat load of 7 mags, couple of batteries and the fancy charger your talking like 1100/1200 all in..

 

[Colin Allen]

Ouch! That is a price! I could easily afford it, but I refuse to pay that much for a toy gun.

 

[frazer900]

Crazy money and that’s not even buying the
fancy charger and batteries or the mags.. im not really that fussed with fps nowadays as there’s been loads of debates using heavier beebs etc etc but I’m guessing most people will want to get the fps up plus upgrade the thing..? Who knows could be the best thing since sliced bread. I’ll maybe be on the lookout for a pre owned one here one day! Haha

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Oh yeah didn't even think about the mags and battery and all that. Id rather a mws for that price but m4s aren't really my thing

 

[LMKipper]

Cheaper than a GBLS DAS though, which is the benchmark.

Nb. I have a DAS and it really is a fabulous thing.

 

[ruskitseller]

Seems very odd to me that pre-orders are live for a product that doesn't even have a proper live fire vid for it yet...

The only one I have seen is this one unless I have missed something?

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R9drtFv133k?feature=share


Also, if that is the finished product and I know it is hard to truly tell - but the recoil doesn't seem so impressive and looks no different to the last gen. I also don't see any point in the non recoil version.

I hope to be proven wrong here and aside from the strip function which is pretty cool - that price is absolutely mental. It better be a significant step up from last gen for that.

(And I am a TM fan boi btw)

 

[TheFull9]

When did Systemas past the £1k point? About 15 years ago? Given the build specs and similar ballpark features for e-volt and the fact PTWs are long out of production, I'd presume that's the market TM is trying to compete in.

 

[Puttees445]

Can Systemas or their clones even be bought new now though? I havent seen hide nor hair outside of 2nd hand sales so it seems like an odd market to try and throw their hat into the ring of.

Not to mention that despite the pedestal we put TM on (myself included. I'm not immune to propaganda), in their home market of Japan theyre not even top of the range really. Innovators sure, but far from boutique or fancy. The cost they command here comes from the fact that they don't really have an interest in export sales and therefore the supply is lower than the demand.

Just seems odd that they'd try and move in on a market that doesn't really exist outside of super enthusiasts and second hand sales.

 

[Colin Allen]

When did Systemas past the £1k point? About 15 years ago? Given the build specs and similar ballpark features for e-volt and the fact PTWs are long out of production, I'd presume that's the market TM is trying to compete in.

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As it is a very small segment of a small market, it seems an odd one to enter.

As for the image, it misses the point somewhat. I just don’t see the point in buying a toy gun at that price when I can buy a £200 gun and spend about £150 on it to get it to do everything that is needed for a day of running around the woods/field/scrub shooting other people and getting shot.

 

[TheFull9]

As for the image, it misses the point somewhat. I just don’t see the point in buying a toy gun at that price when I can buy a £200 gun and spend about £150 on it to get it to do everything that is needed for a day of running around the woods/field/scrub shooting other people and getting shot.

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It's an observational satire about how every single thread where any new product that costs a fair bit results in the exact same boringly predictable price rants, because people get riled up in the exact same way every single time an expensive release is announced. I'm not defending the product from a perspective of saying it's totally great value, it very, very obviously isn't good value if you just want to go out and shoot bbs in the woods, for the exact reasons you outlined. Everyone already knows that. There are 1000 AEGs on the market that already provide a cost effective way to go and skirmish.

Can Systemas or their clones even be bought new now though?

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No that's why I said "long out of production".