Several shops have them pre order so weeks couple of months at the most., In lower temps there is a significant performance gap between a TM and WE
What's a Good Sidearm?
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Adolf Hamster
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as in when it gets cold enough it's just the guys with tm's and the one guy with a leak free co2 mag still using pistols.
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ah ok, thanks for the advice it'll be either a TM glock or a WE glock
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I had a performance we split slide glock, it's the best they did at the time, I don't know if they have improved the later models but even if they have my g17 and g34 both Tm are just better. The only change I have made to the g34 is a metal trigger. To be fair that is a problem with all squishy plastic glock triggers regardless of brand.
the Tm glocks are better in every way but if you choose a we based on looks alone then I can't argue with that
the Tm glocks are better in every way but if you choose a we based on looks alone then I can't argue with that
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What I would really like is for Tm to get the licence to produce an Airsoft version of the laugo arms alien and not have another company get it to market first and f*ck it up
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personally its just that I like the hevier weight and the idea of a metal slide if its not going to be much of an issue but TM seem to have a great deal of parts, what would you say are the pros cons of TM?
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TM just make a better pistol for the money !
to put that in to context, the TM hi-capa as an example is about £130ish, most other brands of hi-capa are 20-30 quid less, but the TM, even though its polymer, has superb quality, everything fits perfectly, no rattle on slides or other parts, & generally it will function flawlessly in all but the coldest weather.
the other brands, WE, KJW etc, while mostly metal, will be bit rattly, not falling apart but definitely a noticeable difference in the build quality, & the performance won't be as sharp, nor will the accuracy as the hops aren't generally as good.
now these issues can be addressed, loads of aftermarket kit available from frames, slides, hops & alsorts of other goodies, but nothing's cheap, so if your after a pistol that is 100% skirmishable straight from the box, the TM is the one, yes it's a wee bit more expensive, but often buying cheaper is a false economy if the cheaper gun doesn't do what you ask of it.
lots of sayings come to mind, "you can polish a turd, but it's still a turd", or "you can't make a silk purse out of a pigs ear", often the reality of buying certain models from other manufacturers.
to put that in to context, the TM hi-capa as an example is about £130ish, most other brands of hi-capa are 20-30 quid less, but the TM, even though its polymer, has superb quality, everything fits perfectly, no rattle on slides or other parts, & generally it will function flawlessly in all but the coldest weather.
the other brands, WE, KJW etc, while mostly metal, will be bit rattly, not falling apart but definitely a noticeable difference in the build quality, & the performance won't be as sharp, nor will the accuracy as the hops aren't generally as good.
now these issues can be addressed, loads of aftermarket kit available from frames, slides, hops & alsorts of other goodies, but nothing's cheap, so if your after a pistol that is 100% skirmishable straight from the box, the TM is the one, yes it's a wee bit more expensive, but often buying cheaper is a false economy if the cheaper gun doesn't do what you ask of it.
lots of sayings come to mind, "you can polish a turd, but it's still a turd", or "you can't make a silk purse out of a pigs ear", often the reality of buying certain models from other manufacturers.
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yeah I'm getting more convinced on TM, do you have any experience with there glocks? its just I saw novritsch's video on his sidearm and he was saying how one of his tm guns broke first game and the other was every six months so thats what worried me about the plastics
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i would take any advice from someone who's trying to sell you something with a big heap of salt.
at least here the advice your getting is impartial, we recieve no benefit from you choosing a tm, WE or an SSP
of course tm guns aren't perfect, nothing is, i have no doubt that there are first shot failures from time to time it's just the nature of manufacturing.
however they have a reputation for a reason, my hicapa is the oldest gun i own by far and it still shoots just fine despite years of abuse running high pressure gas and heavy bb's.
that said, these days i primarily run a WE makarov as a sidearm, and i love it to bits. sure the hi-capa is the objectively better gun but i preferr the makarov. liking something is as valid a reason to own it as any.
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Sounds like TM glock might be the way
I just want your opinion, do you have any knowledge on these? https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/raven-eu17-bds?pv=10022
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When you consider that the average clone needs upgrades just to make it run almost on par with a stock TM, levitating the price up to TM levels, I believe the choice is obvious.
Avoid Novritsch stuff, seriously. Avoid VFC (bar the HK45CT) unless you want a shiny and nice looking piece of shit that doesn't work.
Clones often have proprietary parts that are somewhat hard to source. Making the choice even more obvious.
That thing's shit, just like every other Nuprol branded gun/accessory.
Avoid Novritsch stuff, seriously. Avoid VFC (bar the HK45CT) unless you want a shiny and nice looking piece of shit that doesn't work.
Clones often have proprietary parts that are somewhat hard to source. Making the choice even more obvious.
What part of TM isn't clear enough?
That thing's shit, just like every other Nuprol branded gun/accessory.
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nuprol ravens are regarded as pretty damn bad, and what i've seen in person is pretty much the same. in this case very much a case of too good to be true.
as a general rule nuprol's gas is about the only thing they do that's good.
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Raven ?, Isn't that nuprol rebranding again with another name ?......if that's the case the stay the fuck away, anything related to nuprol is shite.
Edit: Adolf beat me by 5 seconds lol.
Another thing to consider is look at the classifieds, not just here but other forums & selling pages, they're flooded with WE pistols as well as other brands, the only brand you won't see much of is TM, obviously people who buy them tend to keep them.
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Edit: Adolf beat me by 5 seconds lol.
Another thing to consider is look at the classifieds, not just here but other forums & selling pages, they're flooded with WE pistols as well as other brands, the only brand you won't see much of is TM, obviously people who buy them tend to keep them.
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Let's put it this way. I love my KWC 1911 to bits. As a shooting experience it's my favourite gun. I also love my WE P226 that I've had for years. Yet I have put both of them up for sale in order to pick up a TM USP Compact
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Yawn
No I’m not going to waste time on pros and cons
you have more than enough evidence in this thread to make a decision.
just buy the raven and be done then you can start another thread about how how disappointed you are and we can all feel smug
No I’m not going to waste time on pros and cons
you have more than enough evidence in this thread to make a decision.
just buy the raven and be done then you can start another thread about how how disappointed you are and we can all feel smug
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Lol, hence why my first post started with "yawn" too, but as much as us seasoned old farts hate spoonfeeding the same questions over & over, it says a lot about us as a community that we bite our lips & spend the considerable time to give hard earned advice .
@LukeT, just buy the feckin TM, either model, you'll never regret it & won't look back ?
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I'm not trying to be a stickler, I get you all probably get the same questions over and over. I'm new to all this after doing only a few skirmish's, I'm not trying to annoy anyone here.
I'm sorry I asked
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Don't want to sound rude, but if you used the search button you would have found dozens of threads on "what's the best sidearm/secondary/pistol?"
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Don't be sorry bud, just know the advice given, for many has been learnt the hard way.
If your in it for the long haul, have at least one rifle & one pistol that generally does what it's meant to & unlikely to let you down, which in pistol form is the TM, then irrespective of what exotica you dabble in, you know you'll have something to skirmish with.
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