Ground Zero Idiocy

[Steveocee]

Extremely poor choice by owners and blatant shirking of blame pointing fingers at toxic community.

 

[GeorgePlaysAirsoft]

Your Google-Fu is weak...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-to-employers-and-businesses-about-covid-19/guidance-for-employers-and-businesses-on-coronavirus-covid-19 (updated May 18th)

I accidentally pressed send before I had updated my post. That guidance was published on the 25th February and has been updated countless times including on the 15th. I wasn't trying to pick holes, i literally thought there was some new guidance which may of explained gz's thinking - i was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt as best i could. thanks 

 

[Tommikka]

To be devils advocate, businesses are struggling and every activity centre - airsoft, paintball, country pursuits etc are looking at reopening.

With vague announcements and constant changes to guidance there could be misunderstandings - if you listen to/read the media and Facebook then it’s very easy to be mistaken.

Discussions are taking place publicly and privately between sites, official bodies etc, Ground Zero are the first that I have seen to put it down firmly, the majority are doing so as their planning for reopening (and will have been doing that pretty much from the beginning & revising along the way.

Personally I’m in a very good position, my income is secure and I have the technology and ability to work anywhere with connectivity.  Financially I’m better off as I don’t have commuting expenses, work wise my team are more efficient.

Bit annoying as I have loads of personal projects that I could be doing if I wasn’t working.

I can understand those who have reduced income and especially the self employed and small businesses that don’t fit the criteria for grants or can only access help that’s a loan to be repaid.  
 

The Ground Zero game was a terrible idea, even the disclaimers handed through car windows could be handled better:

1)Online form if they can work out the tech

2)Online printable copy if not

3)Put disclaimers around the staging area for everyone else

4)Drop disclaimers in boxes to avoid handling on collection 
 

Mentioning what the cap was might have helped

(not much though unless the cap was in line with a family group)

Having a thermometer gun would show some form of identifying risky individuals

etc

But right now is not the time to open these activities, there could be plans for various stages of reopening as the situation progresses, eg small parties (if that is viable as the cost of opening might be even more than the income of a small enough group), or directed ‘experiences’ rather than full games, and over time moving onto wider opening.

 

[Stratton Oakmont]

Why bother trying to second guess, just be patient.

Just have to wait to open when its deemed appropriate by the govt, (not that it's any safer but it legitimises your decision).

What I can't believe is people walking around in surgical masks, creating a false sense of safety for themselves, especially the home made ones (like a bit of old sock is going to prevent a virus)

unless its full seal for eyes nose and mouth with an appropriate filter its not virus proof.

 

[Heath]

What I can't believe is people walking around in surgical masks, creating a false sense of safety for themselves, especially the home made ones (like a bit of old sock is going to prevent a virus)

unless its full seal for eyes nose and mouth with an appropriate filter its not virus proof.

It reduces the chance of you catching and more importantly spreading it, especially if you're asymptomatic. It's might not be virus proof, but If there's a 1% chance that it'll stop somebody else getting it and all I need to do is wear something over my face when I go to the shops, sign me up.

 

[DrAlexanderTobacco]

What I can't believe is people walking around in surgical masks, creating a false sense of safety for themselves, especially the home made ones (like a bit of old sock is going to prevent a virus)

unless its full seal for eyes nose and mouth with an appropriate filter its not virus proof.

Basic masks are NOT to protect you, they're to protect others.

Not to mention the optics benefit - seeing masks outside, in public, is a constant reminder to keep as far as possible away from people. 

 

[Stratton Oakmont]

Basic masks are NOT to protect you, they're to protect others.



Not to mention the optics benefit - seeing masks outside, in public, is a constant reminder to keep as far as possible away from people. 

The second point I agree with

 

[hitmanNo2]

I believe even loose fitting masks do offer a small amount of protection for the wearer as the masks provide a barrier to 'push' some larger droplets out of the way rather than hit your face but ultimately they're for the benefit of those around you.

 

[Stratton Oakmont]

I find airsofters attitude towards others fascinating.

some would modify their behaviour for a 1percent chance to protect others

others have stated on this very site in the past that if they blinded a player because inferior eye pro was worn they would not lose a wink of sleep

 

[Jedi_Master]

I find airsofters attitude towards others fascinating.

some would modify their behaviour for a 1percent chance to protect others

others have stated on this very site in the past that if they blinded a player because inferior eye pro was worn they would not lose a wink of sleep

It is natural selection, unfortunately Darwin awards do not always apply and sometime the dumbest win.  Airsoft being an all encompassing hobby and open to anyone does mean that it also encompasses all strata of society. 

 

[Tackle]

others have stated on this very site in the past that if they blinded a player because inferior eye pro was worn they would not lose a wink of sleep

Often the same dicks that won't consider making a bang kill, in case it gets used against them in some quick draw crap.

I'm like "bitch, it's a game, get over yourself"

I'll wait for a game, as long as it takes, as they say:

"Fools rush where angels fear to tread" ?

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Often the same dicks that won't consider making a bang kill, in case it gets used against them in some quick draw crap.

i kind of subscribe to the opinion that if they can quick draw and shoot you then it wasn't a valid bang kill to begin with.

works out about even, you get the other type who'll insist shouting bang from the other end of the site should always count.

 

[Tackle]

i kind of subscribe to the opinion that if they can quick draw and shoot you then it wasn't a valid bang kill to begin with.

works out about even, you get the other type who'll insist shouting bang from the other end of the site should always count.

That's why I'll refer to my earlier quote ?

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[GeorgePlaysAirsoft]

i know plenty of sites that don't operate the bang rule but have a "tap on the shoulder". which seems fine. spent years as a child pointing sticks and saying "bang", not keen on going back thank you very much!!!! not to mention that seemingly the majority of american youtube rage videos start with an argument about the bang kill. 

 

[Tommikka]

i know plenty of sites that don't operate the bang rule but have a "tap on the shoulder". which seems fine. spent years as a child pointing sticks and saying "bang", not keen on going back thank you very much!!!! not to mention that seemingly the majority of american youtube rage videos start with an argument about the bang kill. 

I prefer to do it as 2 rules:

Surrender & tag

They are the source of arguments, but the rules ought to be clear:

Surrender is an option:

You get close up and choose to be nice, asking for surrender.

They are able to decline and shoot back.

If they don’t accept you need to be ready to shoot them.

I don’t set minimum engagement rules, so if surrender isn’t accepted it’s valid to shoot.

Arguments occur - but if you offer the option to surrender you ought to be willing to enforce it, if you don’t want to risk being shot up close then step back and shoot first.

Tag is a kill:

(Knife kill, barrel tag, tap on shoulder etc)

If you approach someone and can touch them -  then you have a valid kill.

Arguments also occur - usually because  the victim gets their pants in a twist as they are so ‘awesome’ that it’s impossible to tag them so there must have been cheating 

Most arguments on these are because one of the player just didn’t like the outcome (because they are awesome or because the target decided to shoot) or players are not paying attention to the rules - not listening to the brief or reading info packs.

Compulsory bang kills / surrenders at minimum engagement can be a cause too - not complying to the distance, or not judging the distance.

If everyone is a big boy/big girl, and there aren’t special factors such as young rentals then I prefer to avoid minimum engagement.

Any rule set that I produce has surrender and tag rules in place by default, unless it’s unsuitable for the game.

eg I disallow them in our Battle Royale series .... but I did allow one surrender 

In the first seconds two players met face to face around a corner as I watched by the door.

They both yelped, only one was armed, the other just said ‘surrender’ and stepped out.

I couldn't blame him

 

[Noobmaster69]

Saw in another thread, someone suggested skirmishing in June might be optimistic. 

Reckon there might be some truth to that, July might be more realistic.  

I hope so I’m gagging for my first game!

 

[John_W]

Just curious, are GZ/Z1 still owned by the same guy who thought it was legal to convert a deactivated L85 in to an Airsoft? And used to let the marshals drive the "safety vehicle" while smoking weed? 

 

[DerDer]

I hope so I’m gagging for my first game!

Yeah, getting a bit restless myself.

See a few sites  plan on opening this month. I'm leaving it till July myself. 

Figure by then some of the teething issues should be sorted out. Also more time to obsessively tinker with the Aegs. 

 

[14mstant]

If so that would explain a lot

 

[Alpha Wolf]

I looking forward to my first game I been buying my gear in this rubbish time I just miss to things now a scope for my l96 and eye Protection