Ground Zero Idiocy

[MiK]

I'm assuming they'll be getting thrown in through the window from a safe distance?

I guess they are using a master paper plane thrower for this part of the briefing !! ?

Seriously how desperate can they be to put their customers and even staff at risk for a chance to go pew pew for a few quid or anyone actually stupid enough to pay over money knowing that the likelihood of the old bill shutting it down ?

/amazed 

 

[typefish]

I think one of the issues is that the information given by the government has been vague to put it mildly, leaving many businesses simply without the clarity they need to make informed decisions. The obvious progression of this government generated ambiguity, is that a number of businesses are treating it as a green light so long as they put in place certain attempts at precautions. The smarter businesses are still treating it as though the infection risk means that all quarantine precautions remain in place. At least until the government explicitly states otherwise.

What really doesn't help is the Government saying one thing is prohibited, and the only home nation that appears to have done anything to even begin the process of implementing legislation that affects events, appears to be Scotland.

 

[Tackle]

the only home nation that appears to have done anything to even begin the process of implementing legislation that affects events, appears to be Scotland.

Who ever expected Jimmy Kranky to get something right ? 

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[EvilMonkee]

What really doesn't help is the Government saying one thing is prohibited, and the only home nation that appears to have done anything to even begin the process of implementing legislation that affects events, appears to be Scotland.

Wrong, there is legislation in place giving the Police powers

Who ever expected Jimmy Kranky to get something right ? 

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If Nicola Sturgeon dressed up like that I might actually vote for her....

 

[Alpha Wolf]

Let them open if people want to go get ill that there choose 

money or life think wisely

 

[typefish]

Wrong, there is legislation in place giving the Police powers

Is there? Could you point them out for me please?

 

[Heath]

Let them open if people want to go get ill that there choose 

money or life think wisely

The issue is that if they get ill, it's not just them that'll suffer the consequences.

 

[Alpha Wolf]

I found this on they website 

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[typefish]

A retraction has been posted 

 

[Robert James]

From their facebook

"The decision to run a game at Ground Zero Airsoft was taken after reading guidelines to businesses published on the 15th May, and was misinterpreted as there was no mention that there was still a limit imposed on the number of people that should meet together in public or private areas to participate in them.

We were going to split the site into 4 large areas, and run teams of 15 people fighting against each other so we could effectively socially distance the players from each other, along with operational changes to stop groups having to cluster together for any reason.

However, after reading the document aimed at people rather than businesses it is quite clear that it is not appropriate to run a game at the moment until the government lift this ban.
Since the post this morning, I have been unable to speak to the owner, but he has just called me now and as soon as I informed him of our mistake he immediately told me to cancel the game.

I was unable to update the Facebook community about what was happening until talking to him as it would probably have just deteriorated into name calling and negative comments with some of the people using rather toxic language to try and get their point across and the post would have got lost in the mire.

I understand that people feel strongly about this, but the same result would have been achieved by being polite.

I would like to thank anyone who pointed the documents out to us in a professional manner and we can only apologise for the confusion and distress that we may have caused."

Absolute chodes. 

 

[EvilMonkee]

Is there? Could you point them out for me please?

Let me Google that for you

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/contents/enacted

 

[typefish]

Let me Google that for you

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/contents/enacted

Ah, well you're looking at the right piece of legislation - but which section is it which deals with events?

I'm not trying to lead you down the garden path or anything!

 

[Enid_Puceflange]

Splitting hairs here

Ground Zero were trying to pull a dick move
As said previously, good to see mostly common sense responses to the OP’s topic ?

 

[DrAlexanderTobacco]

Ah, well you're looking at the right piece of legislation - but which section is it which deals with events?

I'm not trying to lead you down the garden path or anything!

Power to prohibit or otherwise restrict events or gatherings in England




5(1)The Secretary of State may, for the purpose of—

(a)preventing, protecting against, delaying or otherwise controlling the incidence or transmission of coronavirus, or

(b)facilitating the most appropriate deployment of medical or emergency personnel and resources,

issue a direction prohibiting, or imposing requirements or restrictions in relation to, the holding of an event or gathering in England.

(2)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may be issued in relation to—

(a)a specified event or gathering, or

(b)events or gatherings of a specified description.

(3)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may only have the effect of imposing prohibitions, requirements or restrictions on—

(a)the owner or occupier of premises for an event or gathering to which the direction relates;

(b)the organiser of such an event or gathering;

(c)any other person involved in holding such an event or gathering.

(4)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may only be issued during a public health response period.

(5)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may, among other things, impose requirements about informing persons who may be planning to attend an event or gathering of its prohibition or any requirements or restrictions imposed in relation to the holding of it.

(6)For the purposes of sub-paragraph (2), events or gatherings may be described—

(a)by reference to a number of people attending the event or gathering,

(b)by reference to a requirement for medical or emergency services to attend the event or gathering, or

(c)in any other way.

(7)The reference in sub-paragraph (3)(c) to a person involved in the holding of an event or gathering does not include a person whose only involvement in the event or gathering is, or would be, by attendance at the event or gathering.

No clue whatsoever if the legislation has been employed, just wanted to point out the section that stood out to me as being relevant to the topic at hand

 

[typefish]

Power to prohibit or otherwise restrict events or gatherings in England




5(1)The Secretary of State may, for the purpose of—

(a)preventing, protecting against, delaying or otherwise controlling the incidence or transmission of coronavirus, or

(b)facilitating the most appropriate deployment of medical or emergency personnel and resources,

issue a direction prohibiting, or imposing requirements or restrictions in relation to, the holding of an event or gathering in England.

(2)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may be issued in relation to—

(a)a specified event or gathering, or

(b)events or gatherings of a specified description.

(3)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may only have the effect of imposing prohibitions, requirements or restrictions on—

(a)the owner or occupier of premises for an event or gathering to which the direction relates;

(b)the organiser of such an event or gathering;

(c)any other person involved in holding such an event or gathering.

(4)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may only be issued during a public health response period.

(5)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may, among other things, impose requirements about informing persons who may be planning to attend an event or gathering of its prohibition or any requirements or restrictions imposed in relation to the holding of it.

(6)For the purposes of sub-paragraph (2), events or gatherings may be described—

(a)by reference to a number of people attending the event or gathering,

(b)by reference to a requirement for medical or emergency services to attend the event or gathering, or

(c)in any other way.

(7)The reference in sub-paragraph (3)(c) to a person involved in the holding of an event or gathering does not include a person whose only involvement in the event or gathering is, or would be, by attendance at the event or gathering.

No clue whatsoever if the legislation has been employed, just wanted to point out the section that stood out to me as being relevant to the topic at hand

That is indeed the correct schedule, well, for England anyway.

The point what I'm getting at is that as far as I know, only a declaration (well, two, in fact) required for these paragraphs to have any effect has been made by Scotland (which is the next stanza, each nation has their own stanza)

If of course anyone finds such a declaration for England, Wales or Northern Ireland I'll be most grateful!

 

[Lozart]

From their facebook

"The decision to run a game at Ground Zero Airsoft was taken after reading guidelines to businesses published on the 15th May, and was misinterpreted as there was no mention that there was still a limit imposed on the number of people that should meet together in public or private areas to participate in them.

We were going to split the site into 4 large areas, and run teams of 15 people fighting against each other so we could effectively socially distance the players from each other, along with operational changes to stop groups having to cluster together for any reason.

However, after reading the document aimed at people rather than businesses it is quite clear that it is not appropriate to run a game at the moment until the government lift this ban.
Since the post this morning, I have been unable to speak to the owner, but he has just called me now and as soon as I informed him of our mistake he immediately told me to cancel the game.

I was unable to update the Facebook community about what was happening until talking to him as it would probably have just deteriorated into name calling and negative comments with some of the people using rather toxic language to try and get their point across and the post would have got lost in the mire.

I understand that people feel strongly about this, but the same result would have been achieved by being polite.

I would like to thank anyone who pointed the documents out to us in a professional manner and we can only apologise for the confusion and distress that we may have caused."

Absolute chodes. 

Translation: we got rumbled and reckon if we make up some bollocks about not having seen the right bit of paper nobody will think we were just being dicks.

 

[EvilMonkee]

It was 'we misinterpreted the guideslines'.  How?????  So you idiots can't even read......and then it was everyone elses fault for them being 'toxic'.  Jog on...

 

[Guest]

Translation: we got rumbled and reckon if we make up some bollocks about not having seen the right bit of paper nobody will think we were just being dicks.

Translation: Translation: We’re politicians ??

 

[GeorgePlaysAirsoft]

It was 'we misinterpreted the guideslines'.  How?????  So you idiots can't even read......and then it was everyone elses fault for them being 'toxic'.  Jog on...

Yeah it sounds like bollocks to me. I can't find any guidance for business published on may the 15th, not to say it doesn't exist though.

In any case the guidance for business includes in it's second paragraph a link to the document showing which business must be closed, and which are exempt. Of which airsoft, or anything remotely similar, is not exempted under "outdoor leisure". GZ ignored this, or failed to understand this.  It also links to the "staying alert and safe" guidance, which again GZ either ignored or failed to understand. 

They're either thick as shit or scummy cunts. Genuinely hard to tell.

 

[Lozart]

 I can't find any guidance for business published on may the 15th, not to say it doesn't exist though. 

Your Google-Fu is weak...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-to-employers-and-businesses-about-covid-19/guidance-for-employers-and-businesses-on-coronavirus-covid-19 (updated May 18th)