R-Hop or Flat-Hop

[ShaqMan]

What do you guys think? I'll be ordering this tonight

CNC prowin hop unit

Prometheous smooth bucking

Prometheous Flat Nub

Prometheous 6.03 tighter barrel 285mm

All these are going to be going on my Nuprol Delta Enforcer, any suggestions as all I'm looking for is extra range? Hoping to be able to hit roughly 60/70meteres currently shooting 340fps on a 0.25 getting 1.1J

Site limits are as followed:

1.2J

350FPS

25RPS

 

[Lozart]

Honestly the Prowin isn't all it's cracked up to be. As for the bucking you'd actually be better off getting the Prometheus purple bucking and converting it to flat hop (it's pretty easy just look up flat hop on YouTube).

Alternatively I've been getting very good results using a Maxx CNC hop with a Maple Leaf Macaron rubber and Maple Leaf Omega nub. 90% of the results for flat hop with roughly 10% of the effort! Ultimately though, if your existing hop up unit holds its position OK then just replace the rubber and nub.

The barrel is good too by the way but I'd save yourself some cash and get a ZCI one from @ak2m4 https://www.ak2m4.co.uk/internal-parts/inner-barrels/zci-inner-barrel-285mm (they sell the Maple Leaf bits too).

 

[Prisce]

Don’t use the prommy smooth, it’s shite.

Listen to the above post. Talking a lot of sense.

 

[ShaqMan]

I don't understand why the prompt smooth is a bad buy? What would you guys suggest I purchase to put in the gun to increase the range as I'm looking at buying a bunch of stuff today.

Am I being realistic by saying I'm looking for 60/70meteres or is that me dreaming?

 

[Lozart]

I don't understand why the prompt smooth is a bad buy? What would you guys suggest I purchase to put in the gun to increase the range as I'm looking at buying a bunch of stuff today.

Am I being realistic by saying I'm looking for 60/70meteres or is that me dreaming?

The Prommy smooth rubber is too smooth inside, if you look up a flat hop tutorial you'll see that removing the mound inside the rubber is only part of it as you'll need to sand the inside to create a better surface to apply backspin to the BB. My suggestions stand as per my previous post, either a modified Prometheus purple normal rubber or the Maple Leaf.

60-70 metres is probably a bit of an ask from a Nuprol gun to be honest. You'll need to make sure you're getting good shot to shot consistency which will rely on the gearbox working at it's peak. By the time you've sunk enough money into it to get the range you want you'll have spent way more than the gun is worth. You'd be better off just moving a bit closer! If you concentrate on making one change at a time you can see what makes the best improvements, if you change everything at once and it all goes horribly then you won't know what has caused the problem.

Bucking https://www.ak2m4.co.uk/internal-parts/hop-up-buckings-nubs/maple-leaf-macaron-60-aeg

Nub https://www.ak2m4.co.uk/internal-parts/hop-up-buckings-nubs/maple-leaf-nub or https://www.ak2m4.co.uk/internal-parts/hop-up-buckings-nubs/gear-parts-omega-nub

 

[E21A]

Bin the genuine prowin off and get the ZCI copy too 

 

[ShaqMan]

Brilliant guys thanks for your comments I've gone and brought the stuff from ak2m4 hoping to see that arrive soon I've been told by a lot of people that the Nuprol alpha is a really really good gun gearbox wise out the box on par with most 350£ guns out there?

 

[Lozart]

 I've been told by a lot of people that the Nuprol alpha is a really really good gun gearbox wise out the box on par with most 350£ guns out there?

You've been misled.

 

[E21A]

You've been misled.

Very misled 

 

[ShaqMan]

Alright, basically I'm not shy in spending some money on upgrades and that, I love the shape and current changes I've done to the gun already from what I'm seeing though as the best parts I've already brought for the hop up unit all from ak2m4, what else is there gearbox and motor? How much are we talking roughly to get that running better? Would it just be a new high torque motor? The gears are all metal I believe

 

[Lozart]

Alright, basically I'm not shy in spending some money on upgrades and that, I love the shape and current changes I've done to the gun already from what I'm seeing though as the best parts I've already brought for the hop up unit all from ak2m4, what else is there gearbox and motor? How much are we talking roughly to get that running better? Would it just be a new high torque motor? The gears are all metal I believe

OK, so there's two schools of thought on this. FIrst is to save your money and buy a better gun (keep the Nuprol as a back up). The other is a long and winding rabbit hole that may well cost more than that better gun would have. I've been down that rabbit hole more than once (and yes, I'm in the process of doing it AGAIN) so for me, I'd go with this:

SHS/RA Hi Torque motor https://www.ak2m4.co.uk/internal-parts/motors-parts/ra-high-torque-motor-long

SHS/RA gear set (just because yours are all metal doesn't mean they're good) https://www.ak2m4.co.uk/internal-parts/gears/ra-18-1-high-speed-gears

Shims https://www.ak2m4.co.uk/internal-parts/bushings-shims/rocket-shims-v2

Gate Titan Advanced for that instant response, precocked loveliness https://www.bullseyecountrysport.co.uk/gate-titan-v2-advanced-set-airsoft-trigger-mosfet-lipo-management-fire-selector-23039-p.asp

Maxx ME Pro with Tracer for glow in the dark hilarity (and a rather good hop) https://www.bullseyecountrysport.co.uk/maxx-model-airsoft-cnc-hop-up-unit-me-pro--led-tracer-module-hop005prl-30362-p.asp

Ultimately though it all comes down to how far you want to go to upgrade a cheap gun and what parts of its' performance you're actually not happy with.

 

[ShaqMan]

Okay brilliant I'll take a look at these and weigh up my options all I want to do really is increase the affective range to around 60 meteres if possible not fussed about the rate of fire as what it's at now is good and realistic of what a airsoft gun can be 

 

[Lozart]

Okay brilliant I'll take a look at these and weigh up my options all I want to do really is increase the affective range to around 60 meteres if possible not fussed about the rate of fire as what it's at now is good and realistic of what a airsoft gun can be 

Honestly I think you'll be lucky to get to 60m. If you can use heavier ammo that's probably the cheapest upgrade you'll get that can improve your range. If range is what you're after stik with the hop up mods and get some good quality heavy ammo (start around 0.28 and work your way from there).

 

[ShaqMan]

Honestly I think you'll be lucky to get to 60m. If you can use heavier ammo that's probably the cheapest upgrade you'll get that can improve your range. If range is what you're after stik with the hop up mods and get some good quality heavy ammo (start around 0.28 and work your way from there).

Okay brilliant in regards to the heavier ammo it would push me just over the Joule limit by about 0.15 so if need a lower power spring, I've added up all those items together misusing the hop tracer unit as I feel it's not necessary as I have just ordered the other hop unit and i wouldn't use the tracer and minus the titan MOSFET as I don't think I'd really need it as if just replace the contacts if needed and the pricing comes to £47 with the motor gears and shimms, in my eyes that's not really expensive whatsoever, is this all of go for really?

 

[Lozart]

Okay brilliant in regards to the heavier ammo it would push me just over the Joule limit by about 0.15 so if need a lower power spring, I've added up all those items together misusing the hop tracer unit as I feel it's not necessary as I have just ordered the other hop unit and i wouldn't use the tracer and minus the titan MOSFET as I don't think I'd really need it as if just replace the contacts if needed and the pricing comes to £47 with the motor gears and shimms, in my eyes that's not really expensive whatsoever, is this all of go for really?

Your FPS limit is always quoted on 0.2g BBs. If you are at 340 FPS using a 0.25 then you are already over the limit (it works out at 1.34J so you're actually over the legal limit too http://www.asiaairsoft.com/index_topic.php?did=23&didpath=/23 ) and you'll need a lower power spring regardless. I'd say around an M100 or M110 but that all depends on how good an airseal you get with your new hop components.

If you're not getting the Titan (and I really would they are fantastic) the you could go for a better nozzle, upgraded piston, piston head and cylinder head. Then fix the AoE which will help lengthen the life of your gearbox. Have a chat with @ak2m4 about what parts he could point you at.