40 Mike Gas Shell - 150 BB's in 0.3sec

[ghostwalker]

Was banned at Combat Action Games the minute AI showed their promo video. If someone unloaded that on me, they would need their rif surgically removed from the a$$

 

[L3wisD]

It definitely deserves to be banned.

The guy getting shot in the throat is evidence enough of that.

Haven't seen the Novritsch video, he's always a melter anyway, but I doubt he's stupid enough to endorse it?

Imagine if you got caught from behind and it managed to get behind your glasses, or the arm at least, the force from 150 BBs is going to mean that you aren't wearing glasses anymore.

Also, as always, a relevant Super Mega Tactical meme:

 

[Adolf Hamster]

i'm going to play devils advocate here but have you seen some of the stuff the speedsofters are doing with hpa's? this is no worse than that. hell last game i was at there was a polish chap spurting out bb's at that kind of rof for ages with a drum mag on his rig.

it's also no worse than stuffing a bean bag down the neck of a 203 and putting a standard empty shell behind it.

if it's used in cqb by sadistic twonks then yes, and i absolutely agree that sites that dont like it should be free to ban it.

however, if used properly in outdoor games then i dont think it's that bad. and like all 203's it's a tactical device for people who need more than 1 bb to persuade them their hit.....

 

[Wo1f]

i'm going to play devils advocate here but have you seen some of the stuff the speedsofters are doing with hpa's? this is no worse than that. hell last game i was at there was a polish chap spurting out bb's at that kind of rof for ages with a drum mag on his rig. 

All the sites I play at people hate speedsofters for that very reason. 

 

[Asomodai]

I think the problem is that it opens a Pandoras box if sites started allowing it widespread. If they allow this why not allow something even more overkill? 

I don't know anyone who would like to be hit by the 40 mike. There is no need for this device. 

 

[MisterG]

Looks like he was attacked by killer bees.  This isn't fun, I would walk away from a site if they allowed this.

Cheers

G

 

[Adolf Hamster]

All the sites I play at people hate speedsofters for that very reason. 

it is overkill, although sadly i think it's a reaction to needing to use that kind of thing, a one-shot policy is great if you can rely on the person calling their hit, which sadly is not always an option.

of course i exclusively play outdoors, so i tend to have a different take on what's acceptable, and in an outdoor environment i can certainly see the application of this over current grenades when used properly at long range where the cloud will disperse a bit and the bb's will have lost a lot of velocity.

certainly i'm not surprised if indoor sites are banning the hell out of it.

 

[Wo1f]

That’s the issue for me.. virtually zero spread. I’ll happily get tagged with a dozen bb’s from a 150rd moscart style grenade. FPS is low and it’s spread. At most, a couple will hit your eye pro at sub 150fps. 

Like I said before. It’s not the pain, it’s the potential to damage I’m concerned about. 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

That’s the issue for me.. virtually zero spread. I’ll happily get tagged with a dozen bb’s from a 150rd moscart style grenade. FPS is low and it’s spread. At most, a couple will hit your eye pro at sub 150fps. 

Like I said before. It’s not the pain, it’s the potential to damage I’m concerned about. 

i guess it's a case of perspective, i'm thinking more using it at 40-50ft with an arcing trajectory as opposed to all these videos nailing someone at point blank.

unless i'm grenading wrong?

 

[SheriffHD]

i guess it's a case of perspective, i'm thinking more using it at 40-50ft with an arcing trajectory as opposed to all these videos nailing someone at point blank.

unless i'm grenading wrong?

I guess thats the intended use for it, but like with anything. disregard how a product is meant to be used and think about how it WILL be used. Id love to see this in an airsoft game much like the TAG INNOVATION ammo lots of places banned them too because while it is a fantastic item in its own right when used properly you can count on one person being a dick and using it in a way it isnt meant to be used and causing serious injury. 

The argument that "HPA put out the same ROF" is valid but it gets treated differntly because they are already widesread. some events I know ban them unless they are competition locked but new things like this its easier to just ban it outright with out the hastle of people buying a load already and sites just caving to pressure of demand.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I guess thats the intended use for it, but like with anything. disregard how a product is meant to be used and think about how it WILL be used. Id love to see this in an airsoft game much like the TAG INNOVATION ammo lots of places banned them too because while it is a fantastic item in its own right when used properly you can count on one person being a dick and using it in a way it isnt meant to be used and causing serious injury. 

The argument that "HPA put out the same ROF" is valid but it gets treated differntly because they are already widesread. some events I know ban them unless they are competition locked but new things like this its easier to just ban it outright with out the hastle of people buying a load already and sites just caving to pressure of demand.

very true, i mean these tests are proof that people are expecting it to be used in a CQB environment.

there will always be idiots, guess this is why we can't have nice things.....

 

[Rogerborg]

Read the comment from the company

Ooh, they mad.

Why would I care if a company that's made and marketed a device for hurting people goes out of business?  The sooner the better.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Why would I care if a company that's made and marketed a device for hurting people goes out of business?

*puts on devils advocate hat again* doesn't that describe every airsoft company? i mean all airsoft guns will hurt if you shoot someone point blank in the neck  *removes devils advocate hat and don's flame-suit*

 

[Rogerborg]

Generally, guns are made and marketed to hit.  This is made, or at least marketed, to hurt.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Generally, guns are made and marketed to hit.  This is made, or at least marketed, to hurt.

true, but if we take these videos of people getting blasted point blank and replace it with a 600fps sniper, or a speedsofters 500000 rps HPA rig, or hell even most stock airsoft guns in full auto  and you'd get a similar result.

 

[Wo1f]

But that’s player choice. If you’re an overkilling, Lycra wearing, hpa using speedsofter, that’s your choice to act like a complete Tw@t. If you want to shoot someone from 10m away with a 600 FPS sniper, you’re choosing to be a dick. 

That thing you only have the choice of how far away you’ll be from the person that caves your skull in. Soon as you pull the trigger, all 150 BB’s have left and that’s the end of it. You can’t have a 4 shot burst from it, it’s 150 shots all landing in more or less the same place. 

Its simple. Would any of you let me empty a mid cap into you for each kill? No, exactly..

 

[Arwen]

Personally, I think do not like them. I simply thing they are out to overkill kill people and inflicted pain. 

I've walked off the field before due to people with stupidly fast triggers overkilling me. Yes they may be using single shot. But when they can still pump out more rounds per second than an average AEG on full auto, and continue to do so after they have landed a hit on someone it's wrong. 

There is no need for it. It takes one, maybe two hits to knock someone, who is playing the game right, out. Not 6, or 50 or 150. 

This grenade is even worse than that because it is uncontrollable. You cannot stop it once you pull the trigger. 

If someone lit me up full auto with a full mag then I'd be giving them a taste of their own medicine back, probably to the balls/boobs (delete as appropriate). 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

But that’s player choice. If you’re an overkilling, Lycra wearing, hpa using speedsofter, that’s your choice to act like a complete Tw@t. If you want to shoot someone from 10m away with a 600 FPS sniper, you’re choosing to be a dick. 

That thing you only have the choice of how far away you’ll be from the person that caves your skull in. Soon as you pull the trigger, all 150 BB’s have left and that’s the end of it. You can’t have a 4 shot burst from it, it’s 150 shots all landing in more or less the same place. 

Its simple. Would any of you let me empty a mid cap into you for each kill? No, exactly..

as is the case with this thing, you choose to use it at point blank range, or at 50+ft, presumably you can also down-load it so again you can choose how much you want to unleash.

i dont think anyone would be complaining at a light hail of bb's at low velocity from long range.

your point is valid that it takes a person being a dick to use it improperly, but people can already be dicks with pretty much anything in the airsoft arsenal.

 

[Rogerborg]

it takes a person being a dick to use it improperly

One handy use for it is that if someone turns up with one, it identifies that they're likely going to play like a dick.

 

[L3wisD]

Yo @Duff. How much for the JG?