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[ImTriggerHappy]

I don't think I have misunderstood you or that I am missing your point, and I do hear your concerns about some military kit, but I do think we will never agree as we seem to have very different ideas about where the "fun" in airsoft lies.  I will just leave things at that now as I have really said enough already.

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Then to be honest you are one of the people I have issue with.

There is no point playing the game unless you play appropriately and the reason every plays is shoot people and get shot and dressing up is just a side effect. If you choose to wear something that will prevent you playing the game fairly but have the attitude that it is ok because you are happy then that attitude sucks. Every time I play I am hyper conscientious about playing in a way that is fair to everyone around me so they enjoy the GAME and that nothing I do adversely effects their GAME.  If any part of my gear causes too many issues with hit taking then I change it as no one should have to have me not calling because I put my dress sense before their game.

I am done as this brick wall is giving me brain damage.

 

[Duff]

My leather cut stops any pain from a bb hit butIl I always feel it. I even got shot in the back from about 40ms and even though I barely felt it as in "no pain" I still felt the impact. 

 

[scalawag]

Then to be honest you are one of the people I have issue with.

There is no point playing the game unless you play appropriately and the reason every plays is shoot people and get shot and dressing up is just a side effect. If you choose to wear something that will prevent you playing the game fairly but have the attitude that it is ok because you are happy then that attitude sucks. Every time I play I am hyper conscientious about playing in a way that is fair to everyone around me so they enjoy the GAME and that nothing I do adversely effects their GAME.  If any part of my gear causes too many issues with hit taking then I change it as no one should have to have me not calling because I put my dress sense before their game.

I am done as this brick wall is giving me brain damage.

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Yes I think I probably am because for me the "game" really isn't that important, I can't keep up with the youngsters anyway now and be competitive, so I care a lot less about the game itself and more about the overall day out.  Doesn't mean I cheat or am not diligent about taking hits.  I just enjoy other aspects more. It also means that I am less bothered by how other people are playing.

You see we do just have different takes on the game/airsoft.  And thats ok with me.

 

[scalawag]

My leather cut stops any pain from a bb hit butIl I always feel it. I even got shot in the back from about 40ms and even though I barely felt it as in "no pain" I still felt the impact. 

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I don't think you can ever feel or hear every hit.  Even in the most appropriate of clothes players miss hits. And as ITH has already said you know when you have been hit, but how do you know when you have been hit but missed it?   What I think is far more important is how you respond when someone says they hit you but you did not feel or hear it.  I always err on the side of my having been in error and accept that I was hit.

 

[Duff]

I don't think you can ever feel or hear every hit.  Even in the most appropriate of clothes players miss hits.  What is far more important is how you respond when someone says they hit you but you did not feel or hear it.  I always err on the side of my having been in error and accept that I was hit.

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Until you've tried out what I wear you cannot say difinivitely that is true or not. Trust me, I was super surprised at how good proctection it is yet I can feel all my hits. I've decided now that I need something similar for my legs because my thighs looked like I'd ran out of veins to jack into on my arms after last session.

But I can bet that a plate carrier full of sh*t will stop you feeling anything at all. Same goes for those hats, though even I can hear hits on those when other people are wearing them.

As for someone not taking their hits, I assume they just enjoy being shot and want to be shot again. Happy to oblige.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Yes I think I probably am because for me the "game" really isn't that important, I can't keep up with the youngsters anyway now and be competitive, so I care a lot less about the game itself and more about the overall day out.  Doesn't mean I cheat or am not diligent about taking hits.  I just enjoy other aspects more. It also means that I am less bothered by how other people are playing.

You see we do just have different takes on the game/airsoft.  And thats ok with me.

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I don't think many people actually cheat and 99% of none hit taking is just plain not noticing but as it seems to be the thing people moan about most we all need to do our part to limit it.

 

[scalawag]

Until you've tried out what I wear you cannot say difinivitely that is true or not. Trust me, I was super surprised at how good proctection it is yet I can feel all my hits. I've decided now that I need something similar for my legs because my thighs looked like I'd ran out of veins to jack into on my arms after last session.

But I can bet that a plate carrier full of sh*t will stop you feeling anything at all. Same goes for those hats, though even I can hear hits on those when other people are wearing them.

As for someone not taking their hits, I assume they just enjoy being shot and want to be shot again. Happy to oblige.

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Sorry but I honestly don't believe that anyone, you included, will feel or hear 100% of hits 100% of the time.  There are all sorts of reasons why you may not feel it, and as others have already said even speedsofters in their very lightweight gear occasionally miss hits. It's inevitable i'm afraid.

Just a thought here, but are others shooting you in the leg because that is where they have realised you are most likely to recognise the hit?  as I said just a thought as ITH did say that he adjusts his aim for different parts of the body if a hit does not register.

As for repeatedly shooting someone who you think is not taking hits - then I hope you enjoy it as much when someone does it to you. I think that sort of attitude sucks, but its probably there because you believe it is possible to feel every hit.  

On reflexion perhaps this is not what you meant and I apologies if I have the wrong end of the stick here, but it is what I read into the tone of your reply.

 

[Duff]

Well that's your opinion. I've never been told by another player or a marshall "You were hit" when I thought I wasn't.

It's clear you're a snowflake of a man, too sensitive for this world.

Also, please stop adding "tone" to everything you read, this is how we got here in the first place.

Edit: Also, I see you posting about adding sand to weights in your rig set up, no wonder you can't feel hits and this is exactly what @ImTriggerHappy is getting at.

 

[Druid799]

Guys having dragged my self through the whole thread from start , think it’s time someone said it’s time to call it quits last three pages been the same point of view going around and around and around , we can all safely say we all have our own take on what a game day should entail , let’s just all be  happy happy joy joy together , and breath ! 

 

[scalawag]

Well that's your opinion. I've never been told by another player or a marshall "You were hit" when I thought I wasn't.

It's clear you're a snowflake of a man, too sensitive for this world.

Also, please stop adding "tone" to everything you read, this is how we got here in the first place.

Edit: Also, I see you posting about adding sand to weights in your rig set up, no wonder you can't feel hits and this is exactly what @ImTriggerHappy is getting at.

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Well thanks for that but I haven't actually been affected by anything  said here.  If you see discussing my point of view which is different to yours as sensitive and if in your eyes that makes me a snowflake then so be it.

Perhaps, again hypothetical, people are not telling you you missed hits because they are following your lead and just shooting you again, again just a possibility.

I will I am afraid use what ever language I see fit in my posts as I am sure you also feel entitled to do, but thank you for your input anyway.

As to your last assertion, no I was not posting about adding sand to add weight to my set up in another thread.  Thats not something I would want to do as I already have enough weight to carry around with just me these days.  I was trying to be helpful to another forum member who had asked about making more realistically weighted vest plates.  I don't recall that there was any mention in any of the posts in that thread about the weighted plates being used at general airsoft events so there is no indication that this might relate to the discussion ITH has been having.  Maybe, just maybe they are for use in milsim?

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It transpires that we were both wrong, the OP in the quoted thread wants heavier plates for his fitness training regime.  Nothing to do with skirmishing after all.

 

[Duff]

Well thanks for that but I haven't actually been affected by anything  said here.  If you see discussing my point of view which is different to yours as sensitive and if your eyes makes me a snowflake then so be it.

Perhaps, again hypothetical, people are not telling you you missed hits because they are following your lead and just shooting you again, again just a possibility.

I will I am afraid use what ever language I see fit in my posts as I am sure you also feel entitled to do, but thank you for your input anyway.

As to your last assertion, no I was not posting about adding sand to add weight to my set up in another thread.  Thats not something I would want to do as I already have enough weight to carry around with just me these days.  I was trying to be helpful to another forum member who had asked about making more realistically weighted vest plates.  I don't recall that there was any mention in any of the posts in that thread about the weighted plates being used at general airsoft events so there is no indication that this might relate to the discussion ITH has been having.  Maybe, just maybe they are for use in milsim?

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Advocation is as bad as doing it yourself.

I think there used to be some hollow plastic plates available to fill the space in plate carriers.  It you got a set of these and filled them with sand or similar they might achieve what you are looking for as they are already shaped, and the sand would add weight and a little more rigidity.  If I find where I saw them I will pass on a link.

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[scalawag]

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Yes not denying that I contributed to the thread, I said that I did.  Please read again what you originally said about my contribution to the thread and then carefully read my reply.

I think you are tying yourself up in knots trying to find a way to prove me "wrong", when I don't see it as anything but my opinion and not something that is right or wrong. Its just different to yours.

 

[Duff]

Yes not denying that I contributed to the thread, I said that I did.  Please read again what you originally said about my contribution to the thread and then carefully read my reply.

I think you are tying yourself up in knots trying to find a way to prove me "wrong", when I don't see it as anything but my opinion and not something that is right or wrong. Its just different to yours.

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Not at all mate, I don't really care how you see things and whether or not I agree with them. I know what I say and stand behind it, as for what you say your entitled to say it and believe it. People still believe in God but I don't hold it against them.

To be perfectly honest I skimmed your response because quite frankly I'm tired of reading what you write.

You're the one who came in here derailing the thread and arguiing with Trigger and as Druid said it's getting old now.

 

[scalawag]

To be perfectly honest I skimmed your response because quite frankly I'm tired of reading what you write.

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Rest assured the feeling is mutual.

You're the one who came in here derailing the thread and arguiing with Trigger and as Druid said it's getting old now.

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I think if you read the thread back you will find that it was derailed by others long before I contributed anything.  Sorry if you think I am the bad guy in all this but it takes 2 or more to argue.

 

[Druid799]

Don’t know if I’d agree with ‘a lot of mil-sims not taking their hits’ 

 

[Aengus]

Next forum meetup we should have a fight club in the safe zone if I’m honest.

 

[Skara]

Next forum meetup we should have a fight club in the safe zone if I’m honest.

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Kinda makes me want to visit the UK in that occasion

 

[scalawag]

Don’t know if I’d agree with ‘a lot of mil-sims not taking their hits’ 

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I would on the whole have to agree with you on this one Druid799.  

I thought there was very little "not taking hits" by the guys wearing military gear.  There was the odd non registering a hit from a long range shot, but on the second hit no problems.  There may also have been one example of where the player had so much adrenalin pumping that he failed to notice a hit as he was running (plenty of examples of people being hit in real firefights and not realising straight away due to adrenaline rush of the moment), and there were a lot of first time hits that were taken too I thought.  

I did see the sniper firing multiple pistol rounds before some had a chance to respond to being hit, but thats ok with me as its part of the game.  

The only questionable hit call by a guy dressed in military gear was the guy who said he thought it was friendly fire, but as you said the sniper was happy to let it slide so happy days.  The Sniper also came under fire from his own team in the same position shortly after, which might also indicate that he was shooting from a position that might legitimately and reasonably be thought to be fired from by the opposing side.  They know what can happen on that field and the rules for the site better than I do.  Main thing was that they reached a quick agreement and everyone seemed happy.

The only blatant case of not taking hits that I saw in 2 viewings of this video was the chap in jeans and a UBACS. I don't think that that could be seen in any way other than him not taking his hits 3 times in a row before finally succumbing to THAT shot.  This was the only instance of non hit taking that the video indicated was cheating  or irksome in any way that I could see.

If anything I thought the video showed how most airsofters can get on with each other regardless of what clothes or kit they are wearing and work out problems amicably including understanding that sometime a hit is just not felt or heard.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Cheater vids are lower than cheaters themselves will not watch it.

One thing I will say is a difference of opinion backed up by a cohesive argument is great but lets all try to keep it somewhere close to civilised. We may not all agree but at least we can try show some modicum of respect.

Unless you act like a twunt then you can kiss my ass.

 

[Skara]

Video only shows a guy deliberately not calling a hit until he gets his dong shot..

Doesn't prove anything apart from a guy who plays a game he shouldn't be playing..

It actually proves my point though, gear doesn't prevent you from calling a hit, your (dis)honesty does.. We can then debate on whether or not a lot of gear makes you not feel a hit, but posting that particular video didn't do anything more than creating another sub discussion..

Also think about it, more gear means a larger target to hit