Word of warning - serious eye wound in safe zone

[Sitting Duck]

My final thoughts on this matter - coz nothing is going reverse the terrible incident.....

Yes perhaps the site could of done a bit more, I'm sure they are wishing this

Yes it happened on their site so they will be looking at a fair bit of blame

But tbh - by the sounds of it with the the two kids involved especially the prick who pointed the gun.....

This was perhaps an accident just waiting to happen by all accounts....

If dumb ar$e shooter acted like that at a skirmish site then by all accounts he may of been even more stupid plinking in back garden or local woods - jeez

NO YOU DO NOT GO TO YOUR LOCAL WOODS BUT THE PRATT PROBABLY OF WOULD OF CONSIDERED IT

I would like to think it was one freak stupid thought of "just messing about" - alas with such terrible results

Even the parents might be wondering if they did the right thing, if the kids we responsible enough to go anywhere near an airsoft gun

There was a clip on TaiwanGun promoting eye pro a while back and an American kid losing an eye from a similar situation in his bedroom but don't think his mate pointed the gun at him. I'll admit I wasn't sure if using a clip to promote eye pro was in good taste but a vivid message was passed on none the less

Alas - it always happen to somebody else (we hope), so these messages don't always hit fully home about safety - well this one incident has I think

Yes all 3 parties are responsible (probably), including the site that it happened at

I'm not sticking up for the site, but on reflection I am left wondering that, to do something so stupid - yes he is just a kid

to do something so stupid at a site where there is "some" safety - perhaps it could of been better we tend to think....

But if the shooter has such a lapse approach in the first place then they should not have been anywhere near something like an airsoft gun/skirmish

No offense to any younger players, I know plenty of them are very mature and do heed advice & instructions

But just thought that this incident could have very likely taken place almost anywhere with the kids involved...

Bedroom, garden, woods etc.... - yes the site must have given them a briefing and some instructions I'm fairly sure

but if they do not follow them then alas this type of thing is likely to happen sooner or later

What a f*cking horrible way for all 3 parties to learn a lesson they all wish never happened

Any new young players - please ffs learn from this and follow some simple basic common sense and hopefully not let this happen again - anywhere

 

[rosco290]

Yes kids will be kids I guess but as a "kid" I hate your attitude. Yes a lot of us are irresponsible but even then education should be deemed more important than what I consider a light punishment, it's patronising like saying "Son you can play a game with it but you're not responsible so just put it down here love?" If someone said that to me they'd be quickly told to f*ck off. What about gbb users are they supposed to get ready before they hand in their guns or what?

Jeez I can't structure writing

I'm sure a lot of people will agree with me that it's not your age that makes you f*ck about with guns, it's a poor appreciation of the risks associated with all the fancying about.

 

[rosco290]

Any new young players - please ffs learn from this and follow some simple basic common sense and hopefully not let this happen again - anywhere

Well said SD. But I'd extend this to all new players and even the experienced ones who can sometimes become over confident and let their own standards slip (myself included)

Seriously considering running a weapons handling/weapon safety course for airsofters.

 

[djben9]

a bit late to the topic and just read the first page and a bit more and such a sad situation for all to have gone through, laptop battery running low....

The 2 sites ive played at so far, UA and Tuddenham, people are always told where they can have their mags in etc, what to do, no dry firing in safe zone and are excellent in the briefing as well as making sure you follow the rules etc, so no complaints there, its taken seriously as its their reputation and livelihoods at stake if all goes wrong

No dry firing in car park etc, but i know at UA people do do it a lot, i have as well, twice, but into a coat in my car to test battery, even though I know its empty, no mag ever in gun until chrono'd, then removed, gun emptied, orange cap back on until game time.

Even in the safe zones though i feel nervous standing next to someone with their barrel pointing at my face, so i wear my goggles then anyway, you never know what the person may have forgotten....

ok these are 'toys' to some, they should still be treated with the same respect as a firearm in a way. I always have mine pointing to the ground when walking between games, in briefings and in safe zone, discharged and mag out....

edit....read it all now!

any update on the kid....

 

[BlackDragon]

Well said SD. But I'd extend this to all new players and even the experienced ones who can sometimes become over confident and let their own standards slip (myself included)

Seriously considering running a weapons handling/weapon safety course for airsofters.

NSP's for Airsofting is a great idea. It drummed in the safety aspect for me with a real weapon so why not a RIF?

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

NSP's for Airsofting is a great idea. It drummed in the safety aspect for me with a real weapon so why not a RIF?

IQ or aptitude tests might be better.
Question 1; Is it a good idea to point your gun in a friend's face and pull the trigger.

If you answer is No go to question 2

If your answer is yes then your a nob head so quit now.

 

[James1989]

IQ or aptitude tests might be better.

Question 1; Is it a good idea to point your gun in a friend's face and pull the trigger.

If you answer is No go to question 2

If your answer is yes then your a nob head so quit now.

I dont know making them quit seems harsh they can play...they just arent allowed the gun

 

[Fumps]

I kind of agree with the idea of a safety brief to all new players, once completed they then sign a form to say they have had the brief, then if incidents happen they have no excuses. but I don't agree that kids should be singled out. A safety brief for all players not just under 16's.

For instance I trained my son by firstly buying him a cheap springer pistol. We spoke about safety and why you handle a gun like its always loaded. I told him that if I see him handle the gun well & don't get stupid with it, he will one day own a higher spec gun but he has to prove himself worthy to take responsibility for his own actions. fast forward a year later when he's invited to a back yard plinking war with his mates who all had cheap two tones.

When I asked him if he'd had fun, he said he went home early because he didn't take part. Basically he'd refused to take part because some of them wouldn't wear eye protection.

He is now a fully kitted out Airsofter who is well known for his grown up approach to playing & will often accompany middle age blokes into a charge and gets treated like an equal by most of the regular players.

I have to also point out I have seen grown ups pick up someone's rifle (with finger on the trigger) in the safe zone & look down the sights, pointing it at head height. these are guys who should know better but obviously don't, or worse do know better but ignore their own knowledge.

I also often see dry firing when the weapon is not pointed at the floor, again very dangerous.

Although I am not ex military or a weapon handling specialist, I do use basic common sense when it comes to gun handling, in my experience I still see more adults than kids act with a poor attitude towards safety. Saying that all kids need to be treat like idiots is just plain idiotic in its approach.

What I am repeating from a previous post don't single an age group out just because of the actions of a few, using that logic we should be treating all adults as possible suicide bombers, it really is that ridiculous. Yes I've seen kids do stupid stuff, but then again I've seen so called experienced airsofters do the same.

 

[beastmode]

Ok I'm not going to write a massive essay like some on here as it's all been covered already. I personally feel if under 16 players want to play then they need to be supervised by an adult. Also I'm not wearing eye protection when I'm in the safe zone eating my lunch or drinking tea as they can fog up. Muzzle socks are a good idea. But ultimately it's down to the site to enforce the rules and don't let people dry fire in the safe zone, mags out etc. There are some seriously stupid people out there of all ages.

 

[beastmode]

Also to the people that say leave weapons in a separate area. No chance. To big of a risk of it getting stolen most of us plough far to much money into our guns to leave them out of sight.

 

[Greg147]

I've seen some kids doing stupid things, but I've also seen kids who look like they might actually have a bit of sense about them. The same as with adults, basically. This weekend I saw two incidents that made me shake my head; the first was when I walked into the safe zone and saw two guys holding their M4s one-handed at arms length, pointing them at each others faces, barrels practically touching. They were laughing and circling each other like some kind of Mexican standoff. Performed by muppets. The second was when I was walking back from a game and a guy with a two-tone gun kept firing shots at the people walking ahead, about twenty meters away. He didn't know them, and they got increasing frustrated as he did it. I overheard him telling his mate that he 'liked it when they turned around' (which was apparently a source of great entertainment to his simple mind). I'd estimate the age of those in both incidents being early twenties.

The guy in the second incident was obviously new to the game (two-tone gun, his mates kept telling him that his behaviour would get him 'kicked out of the airsoft community' (although they laughed as they said it)). The ones in the first had their own guns and gear, so looked to be regulars. I guess targeting particular groups for training wouldn't actually solve the problem, and would just add extra work for the marshals at the start of each day, delaying games for those who actually have common sense.

Even the muzzle-sock idea wouldn't be full proof (if someone thinks it's okay to aim a gun at another player in the safe zone, they're just as likely to remove the sock (maybe for a tacti-cool picture), and it only takes a few seconds to pull the trigger from there). I can't imagine many players would be fond of the 'gun zone' either, especially with tinkering that goes on between games. And it would require re-organizing every site to include two separate zones. Some sites barely have one.

I'd say the simplest option would be that no player is allowed back into the safe-zone until a marshal has seen them dry fire. Most sites seem to already have a marshal checking magazines are out, why not just add 'a few shots into the bushes please?' onto the end of that check? Once they've done that, the marshal lets them pass.

 

[Mos]

Anyone who says "yep let's ban the kids, good riddance to those dirty peasants" are wrong

I'm afraid not all kids like me are silly enough to be nobs. I have for one, not shot anyone deliberately in the safe zone, I have not cheated (hit calling, over limit guns) in matter of fact, I try and play to the rules as close as possible, if not bang on the rules.

So IF you are thinking that ALL kids should be banned. You're deluded. I'm not saying all kids are safe and mature, there will be stupid kids, but at the same time, there are stupid adults. Seems a bit harsh to ban kids.

Might as well ban paintball, football, rugby, cricket, squash, marbles, tennis for kids aswell. I could easily knock someone out with a cricket bat... But I wouldn't, just the same as I could throw a marble at someone's head.

not saying all you guys want kids gone. But whoever is should be ashamed imo

 

[Mos]

Muzzle socks are a good idea.

Fantastic idea!

 

[Jambo88]

Why don't site just get marshalls to make sure that everyone takes the mag out and dry fires their gun and enforce the rules of no mags in the gun within the safezone as it should be anyway. All the talk of weapon handling courses and muzzle socks is ridiculous.

 

[Aengus]

Might as well ban paintball, football, rugby, cricket, squash, marbles, tennis for kids aswell.

They've already started banning rugby in England

 

[Mos]

They've already started banning rugby in England

Yes, but it hasn't been banned as of now. As I am currently playing it at my school, full contact. You know what you cheeky.

 

[Mos]

But, yes, rugby is being limited to what can happen. This post has really brought the attention of the members on this forum... Lots of pages.

So here's a dog.

http://m.imgur.com/gallery/9ITk70Z

 

[Aengus]

Yes, but it hasn't been banned as of now. As I am currently playing it at my school, full contact. You know what you cheeky.

What position do you play?

On topic: Just clear your guns leave mags out and don't point them at people, pretty much don't be a dick.

 

[Mos]

What position do you play?

On topic: Just clear your guns leave mags out and don't point them at people, pretty much don't be a dick.

Inside centre, where do you?

Otherly, I think it's down to trust of the other players to take mags out, dry fire outside etc.

 

[Aengus]

Inside centre, where do you?

Otherly, I think it's down to trust of the other players to take mags out, dry fire outside etc.

Usually 6 but sometimes 7