Am I Now An Airsoft W**ker?

[Skara]

tbf, i've had some loose rotaries that could unwind and i've had/bodged conventional units to not unwind.

If the unit is particularly bad, yes, but by the way forces are applied, it should be very, very hard for a rotary unit to unwind itself.

 

[Fatboy40]

I must admit I'm surprised @Fatboy40 you're having a problem with the DE.  I simply swapped out the stock rubber and nub for the usual 50 degree Macaron + Omega nub combo... I didn't see any obvious improvement in accuracy when I did my target testing at ~15M, but I was very happy with the distances I was getting out on the field. 
I've used both 0.28 and 0.30 BBs.

@RostokMcSpoons I'm trying to get my DE M904E to be a bit of a rifle that does it all, in that it's quick enough to get a shot off for a surprise player hiding round a corner but can lob a 0.28 / 0.30 much further than you'd expect and catch people off guard.

I'm getting there with the Maple Leaf inner barrel and MR bucking, an out of the box r-hop, but the hop unit is letting me down.

The typical "4 BB fall-out" pisses me off!  I do most of my test firing in the lounge out to the garden, and inevitably manage to drop a couple of BBs on to the hardwood floor, then spend time chasing them around under the furniture etc.

If Maxx hop units stop that, I'd be inclined to buy 'em - please tell me more!

They've improved the latch on the bottom of them with the M4A-PRO, it's a different design, and even trying a John Wick style mag change it's retaining 4x BB's in the hop unit for me with no problems ?

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Plus with the retention on the maxx thats 4 rounds you can fire with no mag in.

Pain to clear, but occasionally useful in the field

 

[Lozart]

Plus with the retention on the maxx thats 4 rounds you can fire with no mag in.

Pain to clear, but occasionally useful in the field

There's only one that will fire unless you turn the gun upside down. Once the mag is out there's no spring pressure to feed BBs into the hop unit.

The typical "4 BB fall-out" pisses me off!  I do most of my test firing in the lounge out to the garden, and inevitably manage to drop a couple of BBs on to the hardwood floor, then spend time chasing them around under the furniture etc.

If Maxx hop units stop that, I'd be inclined to buy 'em - please tell me more!

To be fair, much (almost all?) of that noise that I've heard/seen is from Luke at Neg Airsoft loudly dissing them and bigging up the ZCI hops.  That usually carries some weight...?

Originally they all had a BB latch, they now do two versions - Sport and Pro. The Sport (on the right) has no latch so it behaves like a normal hop unit, the Pro has the latch on the bottom of the feed tube to stop BBs falling out. To clear the gun properly you just poke your finger up the magwell to release it.

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Mags with followers prevent this, and if I don't have that I have a bin or a box nearby to open my gun over. 

The internal tracer unit is nice, and the only reason to get one imo. 

Mags with followers won't feed the very last round unless they're the ones with the ridiculously long follower that sticks right out the top of the mag and they have their own issues.

To be fair, I'm not so tight that loosing a couple of BBs bothers me it's just a nice to have.

The tracer function is good but depending on which version you get it might stop you using a MOSFET. The earlier models are powered from the balance lead on your battery, the later ones have connections to the motor terminals and that screws up the fancier mosfets like Titans etc.

Luke at Negative Airsoft is running a business and needs reliable parts that work predictably. The Maxx units can be finicky to fit (some receivers just won't work with them but they are expanding their range to allow for more fitments) and some QA issues on the redesigned ones (when they started coming in gold instead of red) means that they have gotten a reputation for being inconsistent. Pretty sure those issues have been addressed now. They ARE expensive for what they are ie a hop unit, when something like a plastic ZCI rotary can do the job just as well in most cases. However, you are paying for the adaptability and wider range of function that the Maxx offers, even if you don't need that function yourself. They come with two different arms (one for standard hop nubs, one for flat/r-hop, two different length flat/r-hop concave nubs (both of which effectively give you TDC hop adjustment) and all the retaining and positioning springs you could hope for.

Like all things airsoft, it's only as good as the rest of the gun and the person installing it getting it right. I have no doubt that Luke could fit them if he wanted to but when he can get a box full of ZCI plastic ones for less money and they do a perfectly good job for most builds, why would he?

They're NOT the answer to everything, they're NOT a guarantee of increased performance and they probably won't help you get laid. As a company they have a pretty decent reputation in the RC car world and are clearly happy to keep trying to innovate. Their triggers work well with Gate mosfets too so that's a plus point for me and Airtech have a range of parts to tweak and improve them if you're into that kind of thing.

Enjoy his videos, curious what people's thoughts are on him and his knowledge, comes across as no bullshit, simple upgrades mostly stock just choose a good system in the first place which appeals to me being new to the game but that lack of experience also means one knows not who to trust. He openly admits that many people dispute him but that just makes me trust him more. I'll go start a thread on this save steering the topic away, thinking out loud right now, apologies.

Luke is a top bloke, got to know him from the days of playing at The Mall when he used to be the shop tech for A2 Supplies (before they moved to Reading). His views on a lot of the "latest thing" type upgrades etc are generally based on a LOT of experience over a long time of airsoft guns and a quite frankly VAST collection (go take a look at his gun room videos on his YT channel). He can definitely rub people up the wrong way because he's happy to tell them they're wrong. We've recently had a bit of a disagreement about why he can never get an airbrush to work for more than 5 minutes. He says it's because they're all the same and crap, I say it's just him but there you go. You could do a LOT worse than paying him to fix/mod/upgrade your gun for you.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

There's only one that will fire unless you turn the gun upside down. Once the mag is out there's no spring pressure to feed BBs into the hop unit.

The clamp type? The one i was running had no trouble clearing rounds with the mag out and gun right side up.

 

[Lozart]

The clamp type? The one i was running had no trouble clearing rounds with the mag out and gun right side up.

Only the first one that's already in the chamber though, surely? How would any other actually get up the feed tube?

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

Only the first one that's already in the chamber though, surely? How would any other actually get up the feed tube?

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[Adolf Hamster]

Only the first one that's already in the chamber though, surely? How would any other actually get up the feed tube?

to pinch your image now i'm on pc;

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the left-hand variant, the clamp puts just enough upward pressure that the rounds feed into the chamber, although i can see how a stickier round might struggle.

 

[Rogerborg]

the rounds feed into the chamber

One, I could see, but how can it move multiple BBs upwards once there's nothing under the bottom one? ?

 

[Adolf Hamster]

One, I could see, but how can it move multiple BBs upwards once there's nothing under the bottom one? ?

tbf, bb's are round, you look at them from any angle they're round, so rounds is a technically accurate term to use, it's the real steel guys who have the wrong terminology, should call 'em pointies 

as for the feeding, the split feed tube is sprung closed, and when closing it's not quite straight but pinched in, add in the rattle of firing and it's just enough to keep them moving upwards.

at least that was my experience, drop the mag and you could fire everything in the feed tube with reasonable reliability, but as with all things airsoft ymmv.

 

[Rogerborg]

Ohhh, I think I get it.   Does the picture above actually represent the unit when the mag is inserted, then?  And when it's out, that arm on the left drop down and levers half of the tube up inside itself?

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Ohhh, I think I get it.   Does the picture above actually represent the unit when the mag is inserted, then?  And when it's out, that arm on the left drop down and levers half of the tube up inside itself?

Yeah, the tab at the back is pushed up by the new mag opening the lever, when removed it springs back down

 

[Skara]

That lever doesn't push the remaining BBs up into the unit, it's just there to prevent BBs from falling.

Whenever I'm done playing I always release those BBs, turn the gun upside down to fire the one in the chamber.

 

[Spartan09]

seeing this thread, i now have the urge to return to my old Nuprol pioneer defender AEG and fettle with it.   

i fitted a MAXX tracer hop unit (along with a prommy purple bucking and a firefly namazu nub) and i was fiddling with it over lockdowns. the last i recall it was feeding reliably on test shots,  but then i came across the tippmann and i fell to the dark side....

after getting the tippmann, the nuprol became one of my backup guns,  but aside from the occasional dry fire to ensure it still functions, it has not been used in almost a year now.  will probably take it to a range tomorrow and see how its performing, as i may bring it out as my primary for the upcoming AI500 rather than lugging the much heavier tippmann and HPA tank around
 

Luke at Neg Airsoft loudly dissing them and bigging up the ZCI hops.  That usually carries some weight...?

negative by name, negative by nature...

i dont pay much attention to NA...   he just seems to slag off anything that he didnt build, and anything he just doesnt like..  which seems to be a lot.