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Why yes the Police can be a bit clueless at times .

Druid799

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Well I’ve just had a visit from the old bill because I’d been flagged by the Border Agency for attempting to import an ‘illegal offensive weapon’ ! So he introduced himself showed his warrant card and said he was from the anti-knife and gang crime unit , said weapon was a small(blade was just under 3inches) fixed bladed neck knife.

he runs through his “knives are bad” speech then asks why I wanted such a deadly weapon ? I then explained that I do collect all kinds of different knives (at this point you could see him giving the “not THAT old chestnut again !” Look)so I showed him some of my collection , that are mounted inside deep picture frames on the wall of the dining room/chill out/music room So you can see but NOT touch ! Then showed him a few of my very expensive ones(that cost hundreds of pounds each)by now you could see he was getting a bit “err he’s not who I thought he would be ?” Look on his face probably because where I live is considered an economically deprived area (which happens to be very close to work for me and the mrs AND the houses are relatively dirt cheap , so bit of a no brainier really !)he then starts muttering about knife crime/knife laws so I replied in a calm and I’d say respectful way with the appropriate legislation ref knife ownership and how you may or may not use or carry a bladed implement in the UK AND what are legal/illegal to own let alone carry , so I mentioned Butterfly knives , punch daggers , button release knives at this point he looked at me and said “button release ?” , “the ones with a spring inside that sends the blade out when you push the button ?” he goes “oh you mean a flick knife”(flick is just one of several different types of spring assist knives) ! Any way long and the short of it I got a slight slap on the wrist and told I mustn’t import prohibited weapons . As a passing question I asked him why was it considered prohibited when I’m buying it from abroad but I can quite legally buy the same knife in the UK and only reason I was buying from over seas was its out of stock in the UK ? His reply ? “Oh the UK shops have a licence to import and sell them you don’t ” WTF ! ?‍♂️

 
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attempting to import an ‘illegal offensive weapon’
Have/did Border force seized and confiscated your parcel, then send the police round to have a chat, or did they send you a letter saying your goods had been seized, then send the police round?

Also will your item be destroyed?

 
What a knob, you’d think they’d send somebody around who knew what they were talking about ffs.

 
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I had a similar experience after buying a RIF from Asia (border force letter and visit). Not sure on the law regarding knives, I do however know that an import licence is a real thing.

 
I wouldn't have even let him in the front door without some form of warrant.  They have zero right to come into your home.  And I am a copper (Civvie/Military) of 20 odd years...

 
“Oh the UK shops have a licence to import and sell them you don’t ”


It doesn't sound like a CJA 1988 prohibited weapon.  If it were, then, yes, it's an offence to import, but there's a specific offence of "manufactures, sells or hires or offers for sale or hire, exposes or has in his possession for the purpose of sale or hire, or lends or gives to any other person".  Exceptions rely on intent, not a loicence.  That's not to say that one doesn't exist, but I can't see that it has any basis in law.

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The legislation is, I'm sure we know, a bit of joke, although not so funny when Dibble is kicking on your door to Check Your Thinking.

It prohibits both hollow tubes ("blowpipes") and solid tubes ("batons"), aka sticks. Then we get to this absolute gem.

(s) the weapon sometimes known as a “zombie knife”, “zombie killer knife” or “zombie slayer knife”, being a blade with—

(i) a cutting edge;

(ii) a serrated edge; and

(iii) images or words (whether on the blade or handle) that suggest that it is to be used for the purpose of violence.

Hurty words confirmed!

Good on you for taking it calmly, I'm not sure I'd have been that reasonable.

It does show that Border Farce are getting rabid for ratting folk out, and apparently they don't know the law either because on the face of it it sounds like what you imported was no more dangerous, prohibited or offensive than a spud peeler.  I'm guessing that the Offensive Weapons Act 2019, which criminalised simple possession of a range of prohibited offensive weapons, is still a hot topic for Dibble, and is being enforced based on canteen wisdom rather than the letter of the law.

 
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Just to note here, that Border Force and police are just people ensuring the law gets implemented as per legislation. Some of the time they can be overzealous or overly concerned officers that have little idea of how to implement the shit that the Parliament is responsible for writing into law.

There’s been several cases of police officers visiting lawful gun owners in Dorset to try and take those guns away from them on some flimsy basis, or issuing blank certificates to lure them into the trap of “fill it yourself”, definitely ATF-style.

I have a problem with this woke government in particular; they basically try to expand a list of everyday items that can be considered as an “offensive weapon.” As we know per the very educational Bourne franchise, even a ballpoint pen can be a deadly weapon in the right hands, does that mean we should ban all ballpoint pens?

There’s a great series of video by the BlackBeltBarrister on YT about Knife Law, I recommend this. He also did demonstrate the extent of applicability of the law in practical terms.



 
Have/did Border force seized and confiscated your parcel, then send the police round to have a chat, or did they send you a letter saying your goods had been seized, then send the police round?

Also will your item be destroyed?
border Farce have seized and destroyed and then in formed the plod .

What a knob, you’d think they’d send somebody around who knew what they were talking about ffs.
Scary thing was he’s from the knife crime unit ! ?

I wouldn't have even let him in the front door without some form of warrant.  They have zero right to come into your home.  And I am a copper (Civvie/Military) of 20 odd years...
To be honest he totally threw me when he introduced him self and then straight away said “you’ve been reported too us , so I’m here so hopefully we can clear it up asap” I let him in as I was quite stunned and had switched in to “fuck what have I done this time ?!?!” Mode ! and didn’t think to ask about warrants or the allegation before he came in .

 
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To be fair, most law abiding folk will respond in kind to a courteous approach, it's the heavy handed nazi approach that gets your back up ?. 

BUT was the law broken ?, if not then surely they now owe you ? 

 
Some time ago we had an officer from the Gun Crime Unit come in to the school I worked in to talk to the students.

Caught the last part of her presentation where she spoke.about the law and replica weapons.

Totaly clueless...

 
'The bigger boys made me do it.'



Don’t mind him, like everyone who got “questioned” before the Nuremberg trials, he got his balls crushed so hard by the Soviets who were running the show, that by the time he got to the room, he was singing about everything they did during the war.

Nevertheless, I agree with you all. “Just doing my job” is not enough. Not for the public service sector. These guys are employed for the benefit of the public, not the public servants themselves, however the reality these days is starkly different.

 
13 hours ago, shadowfacex said:



That’s exactly how these gun owners in question responded. Also, I made a mistake, it was the Devon and Cornwall police.

Check this out: 

Well that’s scary as hell , just reinforces my conclusion that most police officers responsible for policing the section of the law responsible for control of ‘dangerous items’(wether firearms/knives/etc)  any workable knowledge about the subjects there supposed to be the ‘experts’ on ! 
PS @Lozart , I blame Mussolini he started it all ! ?

 
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