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Why american?

In the UK, we can get UK surplus gear cheaply and easily so most UK gear is considered beginner stuff and geardo's therefore look elsewhere. American Special Forces also seem to put a lot more effort into looking all tacticool than the British or most other Europeans. If you want to look Tacticool then it has to be American.

 
Not really, again uk and us special forces use almost the same kit...

 
well i'm rocking a AK-47 beta which i'm adding rails and toys too as i go but my soft kit is good old British Army surplus dpm and a Viper chest rig as the ak mag pouches are fairly cheap lol, as for wearing badges the team i belong to use the SAS badge which makes me cringe so i'm planning to see about talking the guys into designing our own unique logo.

 
Not really, again uk and us special forces use almost the same kit...
Almost....but not quite. And they DO look different while they do it. Our chaps have a different sense of "style" if you will.

Anyway, SF loadouts are largely a matter of personal taste given the amount of freedom different units have to choose their kit. Every scenario will be different and call for subtly different gear. The tactical beard is a prime example - it's borne out of the specific requirements for the current theatre involving SF forces in Afghanistan.

 
Thats what I mean , special forces have ghe freexom to choose their entire loadouts and obiously whefever they operate will effect their choice, if you look at us and uk special forces togethef in iraq afgan or wherever they use pretty much the same kit.

And as for regular soldiers marines etc, sure they have different camo etc but the whole thing that the us use more tac gear is bollox.

 
Not more, just different. Although the lines are blurring more and more, when you look at similiarities between the Osprey and the OTV for example. Ultimately any given problem will have a multitude of solutions but over time they will all gravitate towards a common, optimum solution.

 
Because Rangers Lead the Way?

We just wear what we like whats comfortable. I do like a Fast jump helmet but would never wana be based on Yanks

 
Thats what I mean , special forces have ghe freexom to choose their entire loadouts and obiously whefever they operate will effect their choice, if you look at us and uk special forces togethef in iraq afgan or wherever they use pretty much the same kit.

And as for regular soldiers marines etc, sure they have different camo etc but the whole thing that the us use more tac gear is bollox.

Not really, again uk and us special forces use almost the same kit...
Hi,

I am sorry but no. The kits are not the same. There are some similarities but also some very major differences.

There is some gear swapping with regards to US camo being used by UK forces and the odd bit of load carrying gear but thats where it ends. You won't see a USSF soldier in DPM

Also special forces are NOT given freedom to choose their own loadout. They are given a set of kit and can choose to get stuff from there onward. It makes no sense for someone to buy themselves a new plate carrier, have to take out insurance for the plate carrier than use the perfectly good one provided by UKSF.

Also weapon modifications are also limited. The idea that you can bring your own scope is not true. SF units have a range of kit to choose from but they don't buy their own. There is also absolutely no bringing your own weapons. Source of this is directly from SEAL Team 5 sailor.

In quoting an ex-SAS captain the US do use more tac gear. He said if you want a group to do urban ops the US are the way forwards as hey have all the tech and gear to support it. However, if you want someone to sit in a hole in the middle of a jungle then UK every time. Granted recently UK forces are using more but it is still limited compared to that of the US.

What you will generally tend to find is that the UKSF are a step or two behind the US.. commonly used kit, eg Paraclete RAV was used by UKSF in Iraq and Afghanistan but is now only used in training with USSF who opt for LBT gear now. NVGs are also a step behind the Americans are are helmets. We were using PEQ2s when they're using PEQ15s.

Oh and UKSF don't use M4s they use L119A1 which are Diemaco C8 carbines. Similar but not the same.

But back to the question as to why you see more US.. basically its different and there more options. Also Asian companies make US parts for the US market whereas the UK market is usually to small for them to make a replica Mk.7 or SA80 bayonet for instance.

The fact the US is different is probably the biggest reason. No one really wants to wear DPM as they can be considered a noob and MTP is all over the place that its nearly as common if not more common then DPM.

I went for African loadouts are finishing my US and UKSF loaoduts as it was something different.

 
Sfg do have freedom of choice, you loom at sfsg or uksfg and theyre kits are off spectrum and matching those of usa sog.

Also british army dont just use dpm.

And its not necessarly the kits im on about but the whole thing of milsim to match

Haha oh well like I said just a random rant, and its what people enjoy so just ignore me :)

 
Uk sf do use the m4, the use the hk416 french licensed version

 
I think the closest thing to a M4 the UKSF use is the Colt Canada C7.

 
They do but they also use the licensed version of the hk416, and the sas use m16(usually for training)...

 
I think someone's been telling you porkies.

 
The 'closest thing' to the 'M4' UKSF use IS the Canadian C8SFW which is the 16" inch version, we also have the 10" barrel variety. The Brits haven't used an M16 for years, even then I'm sure I've read that it was the Canadian C7 and only ever trialed the HK416 as far as I was aware.

 
Scorpio, think about it- you know, with common sense. What possible benefit would there be to training with a gun they don't actually use?

 
I tend to be in the "wear whatever works" camp. My kit looks more UKSF than US, being multicam based, but I could pass off as either with a few changes. I don't really go for the whole thing of making a loadout 100% accurate, just what is comfortable and works well.

 
The sasdefinatly have m16s and they used to use them in service , not to sure if they still do, but they definatly have them in stock.

And yes the c8 is used... I ment hk417 not 16 my bad -_-

 
Scorpio, think about it- you know, with common sense. What possible benefit would there be to training with a gun they don't actually use?
Where are you based mate

 
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