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Why american?

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As it says at the bottom of that page "not endorsed by or affiliated with the ministry of defence | all information is non-classified & sourced from public domain" while it may be true, posting it on the internet doesn't make it so.

 
SFSG are NOT UKSF, they'd like to think they are but they're just under command of the directorate of SF. They are, as the name suggests, a support group.

As for there being a mishmash of kit, you're wrong, UKSF are issued the Paraclete SOHPC, Paraclete RAV and recently the LBT6094RS in multicam, pretty much anything else you'll have seen is either old or not legit. Clothing comes down largely to personal preference though these days it's multicam or multicam, MTP isn't really an option (why would you wear PCS cut MTP trousers when you're issued Cryes in multicam?!)

DPM has been entirely phased out for all UK forces now, EVERYONE is in MTP, even the RAF. any SFSG dudes you see still cutting about in DPM smocks are doing it to look ally and it's not officially endorsed, they've all been issued an MTP smock that they should be using.

The Diemaco C8 SFW (also known as the L119A1) and the 10" CQB variant are the rifles used by UKSF, along with a few MP7s being used by guys in Poole. No one has confirmed the use of the HK417 and it's far more likely instead that they'd be using the LMT sharpshooter rifle designated the L129A1. M16's haven't been seen since the early 90's.

Where you're getting your information from I have no idea but it's almost all at best out of date and at worst just plain wrong.

 
Winchester.

They used to be used, as has been said- no ones denied that, these day its the diemaco c8 that's used though, that website is out if date.

You need some good evidence to prove otherwise, which you haven't provided.

 
The uk sfsg are a sfg...dont know where you got that idea from. And this thread seems to be getting twisted iinto something else.

I dont know why the whole dpm mtp withng keeps popping up, and again uksf do have a freedom of choice, ofcoyrse they have a standard issue kit, however they are not glued to using it...trust me im not just yapping about some idea thats been typed up on wiki...

And please can we unwarp this thread back to the original topic rather than a who knows what quiz?

 
That website is so HOPELESSLY out of date I honestly wouldn't trust any of it! They still list JSG as being an active unit (it isn't, got renamed and restructured about 5 years ago), 846, 848 and 848 Sqns are still listed on there, ALL are disbanded now... royal marines apparently still using WMIKs in Afghanistan... the list goes on.

That website is junk, do not believe any more of it's lies!

 
The uk sfsg are a sfg...dont know where you got that idea from. And this thread seems to be getting twisted iinto something else.

I dont know why the whole dpm mtp withng keeps popping up, and again uksf do have a freedom of choice, ofcoyrse they have a standard issue kit, however they are not glued to using it...trust me im not just yapping about some idea thats been typed up on wiki...

And please can we unwarp this thread back to the original topic rather than a who knows what quiz?
You crack on then matey, at 19 years old I knew everything too!

As for why people do american kits, it's probably because the yanks use cooler stuff and there's more replicas available.

 
I get my information by a coworker wo was in a sf support group of some sort, but since he dosent airsoft or use this forum I didnt want to say it as its kinda cheesy and I know anyone can say shit like that.

I copied that link because its all I could find to fit the moutb.

But again I was really hoping not to get into the whole uk v usa standoff wheni postted it hahah.

 
Well your co worker is either talking balls or hasn't been in for a very long time.

 
Hes making bull about what...if ur on about the whole m16 thing if you re read my comment it did say I dont know if theyre still in service but theyre definatly in stock...and as far as sfsg, again yes they hzve issued kits that are used for S.O as they have a purpose, but the whole point of special is they do spo , wit h means freedom of kit is needed...just go on google images and look for some pics man...

But please dont think im trying to prove anything because im kinda slapping myself for starting this thred now.

Back to the point of why we choose to use thexe kits because after all, were juxt playing games ;)

 
Scorpiosxs. UKSF do not use the M4. They use a L119A1, very similar but not the same gun.

They USED to use M16s back in the 1980's/1990's but not anymore. There's probably a few kicking about in armouries still but they'll train on the L119A1 or whatever weapon they're taking into combat.

With regards to camo, they have more freedom (not complete) of choice while they are away on operation. Basically it has to be a NATO pattern and they only bother with US or UK stuff. Anyway nowadays its redundant as they're all using multicam.

As for kit they have some freedom of choice but not as much as people seem to make out. As said beofre if they are usign anything not endorsed or issued by the army (even a belt rig) they will need separate insurance to cover any injuries occurred if they were wearing it. For instance you break your ankle wearing non-MoD approved boots and it ends your career or you need time off the Army might not give you any compensation for it as they did not approve you wearing them.

Also you will only see people in non-British camo on operation or about to go on op as in base they have to wear DPM/MTP (depending on era) at base etc.

If you do go on Google images of say SAS in Iraq, Task Force Black, most recent and abundant UKSF pictures you'll notice its only the camouflage and what/where their pouches are that changes. They all use L119A1s, RAVs, Sig P226s, Blackhawk! CQC serpas MICH 200 helmets.

The rule with any SF loadout is that there's so much "my mate's friend said this" that only pictures count. An even then positively IDing the pictures is difficult.

Also SFSG are not the same as UKSF. UKSF consists of SAS and SBS. The SFSG is their "support group" not actually in the SAS or SBS. They are formed mainly out of 1 Para but with elements of Royal Marines and RAF Regiment. They are the equivalent of the US Army Rangers, they were even going to be called the rangers at one point.

But with regards to your question which I replied to earlier but you seemed to miss it:

But back to the question as to why you see more US.. basically its different and there more options. Also Asian companies make US parts for the US market whereas the UK market is usually to small for them to make a replica Mk.7 or SA80 bayonet for instance.

The fact the US is different is probably the biggest reason. No one really wants to wear DPM as they can be considered a noob and MTP is all over the place that its nearly as common if not more common then DPM.

I went for African loadouts are finishing my US and UKSF loaoduts as it was something different.

But why do you find people wearing US loadouts "Tacky and *pretentious"?

And are you talking about specifically American loadout or do you just not get the whole why people replicate real forces?

 
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I must admit i really like the american stuff not for the hollywood look but i know some do. for me i collect uniforms and the american stuff is one the better made and is up to date... also for me i am big on the legs and esp the trousers do not restrict my movement or rub like the british.

 
HAHA THANKYOU :)

And yeah I get the whole milsim thing as im looking into doing it when I become rich.

 
So is your question why do people do American loadouts?

Any why do you think they're "Tacky and *pretentious"?

 
I just ment peapols pearsonal preference and it wasnt at the loadout thing, just in genral , names and a bit of kit, I got a lot of friends some of them sucsessfull milsimers based on us forces,

Just why people are attracted to the loadouts they use.

And as for my tacky comment, thats just my pearsonal view on it , I guess because of the link between media and airsoft , no offences ment just not my cup of tea, although I do have a lot of U.S kit -_-

 
Well its simple, people like it.. there's not really much else to it

 
Oh I do love reading through a thread like this, certain people who know what they're talking about, some people saying 'I think' a lot and some people talking absolutely out of their arses and clearly know feck all

Brings a smile to my face every time one pops up

 
Yep, I was hoping for peoples opinions on why they use their kit in airsoft, not what military uses witch kits.

Ah well, internet ;)

Just thankfull this is a airsoft forum, seems to be much more friendly and chilled than other communties.

 
Yea there are some places where you say the UKSF use and M4 and that its the same as a L119A1 and they will hunt you down and kill you!

 
Yeah I know thats me not thinking before I type, I did go onto say m416, then hk416, then I said I got it muddled up and ment the hk417...witch is used

Its a common mistake anyone could of made

Shhhh

 
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