what sidearm to get?

[craig]

KWA P226r/P229r

 

[rexfan10]

hi all, was just looking at these two and were wanting your opnions. I know they're non blow-backs, but im more concerned about effeciency than realism. The £40 m92f has adjustable hop-up so it might actually have half decent range... plus with their low prices i could then get another £50 or so worth of ammo and gas. again though, it was just an idea. If anybody knows how effecient NBB's are and how they react to the cold then that would be a great help. im sill open to ideas... Thanks, rex

http://www.onlybbguns.co.uk/latest-bb-guns/mk1-wwii-german-mk1-gas-pistol.html

http://www.onlybbguns.co.uk/gas-guns/hg-105-berate-hfc-hg-105-m92f-airsoft-gas-pistol.html

 

[TPI]

You don't want one of them Trust me... mainly because if their's no make and after the warranty run's out you = Screwed.

we are suggesting saving up and getting a KWA For a Reason...

 

[M_P]

Or a tm.

 

[TPI]

TM's suck in comparison to KWA

 

[WhiteDeath]

^^

HERESY! BURN THE HEATHEN TO THE GREAT TOKYO MARUI GODS!

If you want a good budget pistol for the price,go for a KJW Gun,along with good performance and excellent build quality for the price they have good customer support.That;'s if your buying new.

If you're buying used,go for Tokyo Marui guns or KWA guns if you like metal guns.

 

[Chippins]

Most of the KWA NS2 series will work well, my M93 has only ever gone down when I've used sniper gas instead of regular green gas, and as Ed said their Glocks are particularly awesome, and i think you can get them in plastic for a cheaper price from fire-support (Y)

 

[TPI]

^^

HERESY! BURN THE HEATHEN TO THE GREAT TOKYO MARUI GODS!

If you want a good budget pistol for the price,go for a KJW Gun,along with good performance and excellent build quality for the price they have good customer support.That;'s if your buying new.

If you're buying used,go for Tokyo Marui guns or KWA guns if you like metal guns.

I'll Burn you first..

Only go KJW If your gonna Use CO2 otherwise their a Cheaply made knockoff of TM with Monkey metal casing the amount of KJW Lemon's are simply outweighing anything good to do with them.

If your Buying used Get KWA if your Buying New get KWA why KWA over Tm Simple TM was made to work on a weaker gas than Green Gas. Generally referred to as Duster Gas! their plastic is good but it's plastic it will split with using green gas after sometime! KWA's are Made to work on Green Gas and Cycle Properly in cold weather with a Metal Kit as Stock! and you can even find them cheaper than TM if you look Properly!

#FWF

Most of the KWA NS2 series will work well, my M93 has only ever gone down when I've used sniper gas instead of regular green gas, and as Ed said their Glocks are particularly awesome, and i think you can get them in plastic for a cheaper price from fire-support (Y)

Agreed Pre NS2 and NS3! (NS3 is what they use in the Bigger GBB stuff!) is a little shaky!

 

[M_P]

Which bigger stuff? The lm4 uses something called 'forced velocity' or something, never seen ns3 mentioned apart from once in a parody kiss vector thing by evike Which was a joke.

Also the tms breaking is a moot point depending on the gun. The 57's have issues but the majority of the others will be just fine. Coupled with the range and accuracy from a stock tm pistol there's not much wrong with then unless you desperately want a metal gun.

Nothing against kwa but to say TM suck simply wouldn't be true.

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

My biggest gripe with KWA are the frankly appallingly hideous trade marks, coupled with the fact that they don't appear to make a Glock 17 Gen4 with the NS2 system. D=

 

[M_P]

I would complain about the trades but after having seen some of the paragraphs on some umarex 416's they don't bother me as much :lol:

Do their signs have proper trades?

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

Their signs?

 

[M_P]

Sigs* even

 

[TPI]

Nope none of their Pistol's have Exact Trade's because of Company's like Cybergun.

and M_P NS3 is what they we're originally calling the Vector's system (The new name escape's me though) i don't mean their stuff for LM4 size Gun's (Or anything else that big)

Ed they don't make a Gen 4 Glock because their isn't enough of a Physical Differance that and a lot of people that buy them are Ignorant that their are different Generation Glock's

 

[M_P]

The kriss is forced velocity too according to their website.

 

[WhiteDeath]

Agree on the that KJW guns need Co2 mags to work well in colder temperatures.Their pistols With blue and red Cylinders ,mean they have some sort of reinforced internals which can take Co2 mags.Their green gas mags suck.

TM guns are low powered,but they have a great kick,better hopup and phenomenal gas efficiency and resistance to cooldown.

If only TM were not hampered by Japanese Law...

 

[TPI]

They did call it NS3 in a Couple of Extremely early Interview's although i geuss they may have either changed the system entirely or reinvented it a little and came up with the FV

WhietDeath Stop Talking Tm's did have Better Hop's than KWA's but they no longer do because the Game was stepped up and the only thing TM care about are their Recoil's! Kwa win's out with their gas Efficency TM Glock's can only manage 3 Mag's on one Fill KWA's can Manage 3& 1/2. I'd love for you to fire a KWA G17 and a TM G17 Hardly any differance in cooldown! with TM's also Metal Mag's being colder to the touch! and FFS TM's are not underpowered here in the UK because the Majority use them on Green Gas

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

Agree on the that KJW guns need Co2 mags to work well in colder temperatures.Their pistols With blue and red Cylinders ,mean they have some sort of reinforced internals which can take Co2 mags.Their green gas mags suck.

TM guns are low powered,but they have a great kick,better hopup and phenomenal gas efficiency and resistance to cooldown.

If only TM were not hampered by Japanese Law...

In my experience KJW's CO2 mags are just as bad if not less reliable than their gas mags.

TM guns barely have any kick at all if you ask me, sure the slide moves, but you can't really feel it. Compare a TM to a full metal CO2 pistol and afterwards the TM might as well be non-blowback.

Also, being the owner of a TM P226, I'd have to say that the resistance to cool down isn't half as good as people seem to make out, I can get through about 15 shots on a fully gassed mag in under 5 degrees C, but there isn't enough left for the slide to lock and if the target isn't 5m away, I might as well just not bother firing.

I don't see how Japanese law is much of a hinderance with pistols, it's hard to push 300fps anyway with a gas pistol and their newer rifles are metal, so they must've worked around the issue of having to use plastic somehow as well.

I imagine they just stick with plastic because it performs better without a snazzy gas system in it, saves them having to spend on R&D for new pistols.

 

[M_P]

Ah right, I haven't really looked into it. Just I'd never heard of it lol

 

[Tariq]

Buy a KWA Glock, and you can put the parts in from a KWA ATP to make it a NS2 pistol

£100 for the glock, roughtly $30 parts shipped from KWA