What Brand AEG and Why?

[Skara]

The fuck's going on in here?

 

[Sneaky]

The fuck's going on in here?

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[Skara]

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It all started somewhat nicely, ended up in a flaming dumpster of an argument between two people

 

[Sneaky]

It all started somewhat nicely, ended up in a flaming dumpster of an argument between two people

Right, I’m going back into hiding and carry on watching from a reasonable distance! 

 

[Sitting Duck]

I've never claimed to be a literary genius and know my limitations.

However there was enough of the right words in almost the right order if read properly....

En no, I can't stand internet forum poll's....  So I couldn't, I'd rather set fire to the internet and be done with it.   Not to mention doing that wouldn't have answered what I was asking.....

I was after some thoughts and maybe some discussion on peoples right now, next game day AEG's.  I feel like I've said that before...

Brand is very applicable, you can't really not buy a brand..... that's who makes the plastic pea shooters... someone has to make the thing you start with even if you gut it and rebuild the thing...  and if your AEG is a mishmash of lots of different parts, rock on and state your case, but parts are usually referred to by there brand's, could be a good read !

Your starting to sound like my 11 year old that's got an answer for everything, no mater how silly it make him sound.

How is that relevant in the context of the question asked in this thread?

Cool, so don't try answer the question, no one will be offended.

Dear g@d... i'm asking about what you (that's the royal you, not you specifically) are using right now.... and tbh I'm probably not actually asking you specifically as sounds like you in a niche that 3d prints their own receivers and forges your own gear boxes in the fires or Barnard Castle. 

I've added and model to the question, I had credited everyone with been able to make that assumption TBH.   I would guess 100% of people  Airsofting anywhere ever, aren't using even half of any one companies entire product line, for there next game day.... (My question is specific to what you are using NOW as your main go to AEG... is there an Echo in here....?!).  

90% faff, 10% substance ^^^^, that about sums up Airsoft.

: o p 

At least this is keeping me amused while work is still on hiatus and a good few different and interesting points of view so far...    Can we string this out until next March though?!

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I'll bet your 11 year old has better grammar

But OK I'm done with this, I'll accept I'm being a little pedantic after originally being a little flippant or facetious

But you win, I'll even apologise for it & sorry to have wasted everybody's time

 

[mattaddiction]

It all started somewhat nicely, ended up in a flaming dumpster of an argument between two people

Sorry, I'm not trying to cause arguments, just trying to keep to the subject on track (The whole point of asking the question I did was to avoid the usual 'which is best' faff.   We all settle for something, less than perfect, taking the good and bad points in to account and i'm interested to hear peoples rational for that).  Tongue in cheek comments don't come out the other side most of the time.

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[Skara]

I understand.

I go for whatever is easy to work on and has a decent amount of easy to source spares/upgrades.

Currently E&L 74u, G&G ARP-9 are my main AEGs, with an Ares Amoeba Honey Badger thrown in that will be replaced soon with something less annoying (Double Eagle Honey Badger if it ever comes back in stock at TaiwanGun)

To add to my previous post.

When I got back into airsoft I didn't know much about teching, I just wanted a decent reliable AEG that was LiPo ready (yes it was a thing) and the Ares Honey Badger was just released.

By looking at the few informations available I decided to pull the trigger on it: it had a FCU, it could take 11.1s from the box and it had a QC spring. The hop was a rotary style and it came with a 6.03 barrel.

It's been my workhorse for 4 years, at first used as a primary, then as a backup for other AEGs because I knew I could rely on it in case of failures.

It is still my tournament gun, although there is little left externally from the original design (it has a wonky ass ICS outer made of concrete reinforced lead and an ARP-9 handguard, pink carry handle and pink rail covers), internally it's mostly stock apart from the bushings which have been replaced by bearings and the tappet/nozzle, replaced when they 'splodededed. Fuck me I still have the stock piston inside and IT SEALS! Must've won the Ares lottery to get a piston head that seals! Also to be used as a loaner for mates who destroy theirs or people who want to try airsoft.

If I were to buy it now, though, I wouldn't. Wouldn't even recommend one solely because of the proprietary shit quality gearbox shell and FCU.

The ARP-9 was an impulse purchase, at the time I was looking at a compact and lightweight AEG sidearm for my sniper kit, a teammate put his arp on sale and quickly snagged it for €180 for a gun that's been used once (can confirm) and came with a drum mag.

It's not so compact anymore, slapped a 9" front end on, replaced the ETU board with a Perun kit and threw in a Maple Leaf rubber, it now sends 0.3s way over there despite being a 0.85J gun.

It's my main gun now, especially for spring/early summer games where I just run a belt and a small backpack.

The AK was bought because I wanted one, E&L because it gave me the best compromise (on paper) between cost and quality, plus it was on discount on GF.

Did very little to it, just hardwired a Warfet and a installed a Maple Leaf rubber, now sends 0.3s to the moon while clocking at 0.9J, has a really nice feel despite the weight (its receiver is actually thicker than the real thing, same steel used).

It's just about the right size for my field, with the stock folded it gets even shorter to navigate through dense vegetation and for those super awkward shots where you can't properly shoulder the gun.

Next gun will be a basic Specna C-02, Specna because I only heard good things about their Core series (quite the opposite on the Edge, they appear to be a tiny bit shit), the C-02 (M733) because I want something lightweight yet good looking, and we all know that old school best school. It'll get the same treatment as the AK, so a GATE mosfet (already bought a NanoHard for it) and a ML rubber.

Also, reliability is key for me, all the guns can easily run high C's 11.1s, but I run them on 7.4s. Especially on the Ares, I don't want it to explode during a tournament.

 

[Cannonfodder]

I must be one of the few people who looks at how a gun performs out of the box as I really cba to mess around doing upgrades. This is partly due to not trusting my tech skills and partly (probably mainly) due to lazyness

 

[Lollingsgrad]

Different things matter to different people, for me it's bang for buck and ease to work on. To that end, I like CYMA; good enough quality and if you like AKs the value you get from a CM.04x is unmatched. The new ones have perfect seal up to the nozzle which is the only bit I think is worth replacing. Really impressed.

 

[Musica]

Scorpion evo 2018 smg.

I wanted out of the box performance and aside from the gears being awful I would do it again and again. Reason I haven't got another AEG is I just can't justify them as I struggle to find anything that would work as well as the Evo.

 

[Nodnol]

Scorpion evo 2018 smg.

I wanted out of the box performance and aside from the gears being awful I would do it again and again. Reason I haven't got another AEG is I just can't justify them as I struggle to find anything that would work as well as the Evo.

I keep looking at the EVO Carbines....ticks that box of “Not an M4” and they seem brilliant out of the box.

Any issues with the mosfet? I’ve read the odd thing here and there but anything can fail so it’s hard to gauge “real” issues.

 

[Davegolf]

The Scorpions are great guns OOTB, they have consistently improved them since their release, the early and 2018 electronics are a bit hit n miss / limited lifespan, and the 2018 gearset can also have QC issues.

The earlier variants AFAIK are backwards compatible, so you can drop in the new 2020 FCU.

The hop unit can be improved with some TLC but it is a great product for sure.

They are also very easy to work on, quick change spring is nice, battery fitment/space is the only gripe but just means a midday batt swap.

 

[Rogerborg]

I only tend to play at Woddland sites and I find the opposite. When I used to go to Urban Assault (granted not a proper CQB site) that's where I've tended to find  people with obviously hot guns which wasn't ever pleasant in close quarters and would just be getting out ranged in the open.  I personally find in woodland you can at least narrow some of that gap most of the time if your outraged. 

I guess this highlights how site dependent "Wot R rite gun 4 me?" is.

The Depot is properly CQB, engagement ranges are down to a few metres now, to the point where I can get hits with a tri-shot without any hop on it.  My other local candidate at Biohazard looks like it's going the same way now. I'd actually say trigger response determines the winner in many situations there, not energy or accuracy.  They're also fairly good with chronoing in-game (pre-game chrono is largely theatre), although I'd like to see more of it.

Woodland, even on a relatively small site with decent ground cover, and shooting 330-340fps with OK-ish hop and accuracy, I found myself consistently outranged and having to do a lot of mud-hugging.  Not unenjoyable, but playing in hard mode compared to having those crucial extra 10 or even 5 metres.

Then you look at places like Section 8 which is plantation woodland with little ground cover and long open lanes between the trees and you can see why so many of the videos there are of folk mag-dumping while shouting "Move up! Move up!" to see if anyone is daft enough to do it.

 

[Musica]

I keep looking at the EVO Carbines....ticks that box of “Not an M4” and they seem brilliant out of the box.

Any issues with the mosfet? I’ve read the odd thing here and there but anything can fail so it’s hard to gauge “real” issues.

no issues I know about. The 2020 version has a new mosfet and Dave is right it can be put in to the older evos as well.

Gears are the  hot issue with evos.

 

[AlphaBear]

Scorpion evo 2018 smg.

 Reason I haven't got another AEG is I just can't justify them as I struggle to find anything that would work as well as the Evo.

Tokyo Marui magic? You know that TM fairy dust right ?  ?

 

[Musica]

Tokyo Marui magic? You know that TM fairy dust right ?  ?

I just see too many people "upgrade" their TMs to want one.

Edited to put "" around upgrade as they usually fuck it up.

 

[Davegolf]

People usually mess them up maybe, but when you do it right they make exceptional guns.

 

[Skara]

People usually mess them up maybe, but when you do it right they make exceptional guns.

Just what happens with every other manufacturer

 

[Davegolf]

Just what happens with every other manufacturer

Haha yeh no - not equal amounts of leg work or repeatable results across multiple builds though