UKARA Number

[Rogerborg]

Bottom line is nobody is going to give you their UKARA number because THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL.

What offence would be being committed?

I ask because - assuming the OP is at least 18 (which is perhaps not a safe assumption) - there's no offence committed by purchasing, or attempting to purchase, a RIF.

Not that I'm advocating that anyone do it.

OP, if you're 18 or over and have played at least 3 games at the same (insured, UKARA registered) site in the previous year, you can get a UKARA number.  Just ask the site.

If that doesn't apply to you, then why would you think anyone would want to help you out?

This question is non-rhetorical, and asked for your benefit.  Maybe work on your people skills before criticising others for theirs.

 

[Gepard]

What offence would be being committed?

Depends on how they went about buying the RIF I suppose. Illegal for seller, not the buyer. 

If OP gave money to a player with a UKARA number and then that player went and bought them a RIF that would be illegal.

But what if the player gave OP the UKARA number and then OP bought the RIF? Would this not still be illegal as OP has no defense? 

If it's up to the seller to satisfy themselves that the person they are selling to has a valid reason but the buyer provided documents that were not theirs then what would happen?

I don't think any of these scenarios have ever been tested in court so I genuinely don't know. Not like it's ever going to happen - certainly not in this thread anyway  :lol:

 

[Rogerborg]

But what if the player gave OP the UKARA number and then OP bought the RIF? Would this not still be illegal as OP has no defense?

For the seller, sure.  Not for the buyer or the UKARA provider.

It could conceivably be prosecuted as fraud by false representation, although you'd have to argue that the seller was being exposed to a risk of loss.

This is just by way of hypothetical thumb-twiddling.  UKARA isn't hard to get, and the ability to delay gratification is a fairly good quality for the possessor of a realistic imitation firearm to possess.

 

[Compulsive Reload]

They reissued spyro recently, there were also several reboots with Frodo. Now stop making me feel old. 

Yeah I haven't played the remaster yet, I'm an original spyro player tbh, ps1/ps2 era was the days. With frodo? What the actual fuck.

 

[Immortal]

LOL :lol: PS1 & PS2 doesn't make you lot old, that was last week for me.

Try the black and white Grandstand from the 70's... PONG!

 

[Cleggy]

You're definitely under 18 and asking the stupidest question on this forum. If you can't make 3 skirmishes in 56 days, then buy a two tone gun or one of those £20 spring pistols and get the same enjoyment in your back garden. We legitimately would be stupid if we just let you use our UKARA. Please don't ask again and go to the two tone section of patrol base...

 

[Rogerborg]

Try the black and white Grandstand from the 70's... PONG!

Hah, I had the Grandstand 5000, you prole.  Detachable controllers and lightguns - luxury. 

 

[Skara]

Commodore 64..

plebs please, and I'm only 27.. ?

 

[MisterG]

Lol

You weren't even born when the C64 came out.  I had one in my early teens.

And you still weren't born when I replaced it with an Amiga 500 ?

 

[Slamz]

Depends on how they went about buying the RIF I suppose. Illegal for seller, not the buyer. 

If OP gave money to a player with a UKARA number and then that player went and bought them a RIF that would be illegal.

But what if the player gave OP the UKARA number and then OP bought the RIF? Would this not still be illegal as OP has no defense? 

If it's up to the seller to satisfy themselves that the person they are selling to has a valid reason but the buyer provided documents that were not theirs then what would happen?

I don't think any of these scenarios have ever been tested in court so I genuinely don't know. Not like it's ever going to happen - certainly not in this thread anyway  :lol:

Unfortunately it's not this clear cut. Technically a UKARA holder could go buy a RIF, then gift or sell the RIF to the OP and it would not be illegal. UKARA is there to protect retailers and satisfy the government in that regard, once the initial transaction with the retailer is complete, UKARA becomes irrelevant. I'm not saying we should be selling or gifting anything to the OP, but there's no illegality in someone without UKARA buying or being given a 2nd hand RIF, hell I owned multiple new ones before I had UKARA (different scenario yes, but shows UKARA ain't everything!)

OP trying to use someone else's UKARA number would deffo not work though, due to it being registered to a different name and address, they'll only ship to registered address iirc.

Just to make it doubly clear, I'm not saying we should hand out 2nd hand RIF's to any old Tom, Dick, or Harry, obviously use your brain when selling, especially as us players cannot even access the UKARA database to check legitimacy!

 

[Skara]

Lol

You weren't even born when the C64 came out.  I had one in my early teens.

And you still weren't born when I replaced it with an Amiga 500 ?

I know I wasn't born, but still it was my first pc/console/anything  

Nowadays kids only know Xboxes or Playstations

 

[Immortal]

Used to sit for hours on an Acorn BBC Micro, Vic20 and C64 typing code just to make a pixel move accross the screen in red.

Half the time it would come back saying error in line 2 or similar due to a typo in the book or myself. No way of amending it either!

I miss the old SHIFT + RUNSTOP...(press play on tape). then wait to press the magical Commodore Key.

45 mins later a game may load.

HA! Tape to tape was mental for copying games, seems bizarre now.

.

 

[Prisce]

What he doesn’t realise is any reputable shop will not send a RIF to an address that isn’t the UKARA number registered address. 

So even if I did give him my UKARA number, he’d buy it and it would have to be sent to me. 

That would be a crying shame.

 

[Vulpiness]

Yeah I haven't played the remaster yet, I'm an original spyro player tbh, ps1/ps2 era was the days. With frodo? What the actual fuck.

Yeah, "Legend of Spyro" Series voiced by Elija Wood. 

The girl dragon in it is pretty hawt.....

...I said nothing. 

 

[Compulsive Reload]

Wait till he finds out UKARA isn't the only VCRA.

 

[Guest]

Personally, I think we should send the little scamp to bed with no dinner, then seE if  he wants to annoy the grown ups tomorrow.

And remember, there is always the naughty step after that ?

 

[Rogerborg]

What he doesn’t realise is any reputable shop will not send a RIF to an address that isn’t the UKARA number registered address.

I'd be fairly confident that his intended retailer will have a "BB" in the name.

Unfortunately it's not this clear cut. Technically a UKARA holder could go buy a RIF, then gift or sell the RIF to the OP and it would not be illegal. 

There is nothing in VCRA that mentions retailers or commercial sale.  All sales of RIFs are illegal, always, whether private or commercial.  You may adduce a defence.

 

[Slamz]

There is nothing in VCRA that mentions retailers or commercial sale.  All sales of RIFs are illegal, always, whether private or commercial.  You may adduce a defence.

I was specifically talking about UKARA not the VCRA in an attempt to show it's limitations, maybe I failed.

Is UKARA even mentioned in the VCRA as an acceptable defence actually? As I can't find direct reference. 

 

[Immortal]

Thing is your UKARA is normally the site membership number and that's the defence is it not? To show you're an active member of a Skirmish site and therefore have a legitimate reason for owning and transporting RIFs (to the site & home etc).

The fact that the number is also a green light for shops is a bonus and simplifies having multiple numbers for each (even though you can have multiple active UKARA numbers and site memberships).

 

[jcheeseright]

no, there is no legislative reason to justify let alone defend the ownership or transportation of a RIF.  Neither thing is a crime.