TM NGRS is it worth it?

[joshcowin]

After dipping in and out of the airsoft scene for the last 2 years I’ve came back to see a lot of hype on social media about TM m4’s and the NGRS system. I’ve also seen a lot of companies doing upgrade packages on the platform and claiming they are the best aeg out there. Would people agree with that and say that they are at the top of the tree in regards to range, accuracy or is there a better aeg out there even with upgrades? The whole reason I’m asking is because in the next couple of months I will be purchasing a rif again and I’m happy to spend that extra if it’s worth it. Thanks Josh

 

[Yukarin]

 

[Sawyer]

I'll say this, it depends on you.

Many moons ago, when I first got into Airsofting, I was using a Classic Army M15A4, and then, after that, a G&P M4A1. The thing is, whilst I enjoyed going airsofting, I didn't enjoy USING the guns. They might have "shot like laser beams", or whatever 15 to 19 year old me thought, but a couple of things really took me out of it. The motor noise, and dry firing when the magazine ran empty.

Getting an NGRS changed that for me. They sound good, still a little electric, but they've got a bit of a clunk to them, and the bolt stop when empty. Sure, you might be able to get better performance for a lot cheaper, and I've spent money upgrading mine, but for the recoil (One that actually works reliably) and bolt stop, you can't beat them.

TMs have very good range and accuracy out of the box, without needing to do anything. If left alone, other than a LIPO mod, they will probably run forever. Other guns can be upgraded to that standard, with a higher FPS, for less.

It depends what is important to you. I love a gas blow back rifle, the NGRS is the closest thing I can run without a load of faffing.

 

[Philby21]

As @Sawyer says, it does depend on the user, some love them, some hate them.

I have a G36 that I've thrown £200+ of upgrades at, phenomenal range, excellent ROF (but not stupid), high accuracy and tight groupings at range - even on full auto, my TM M4 still outdoes it on all but ROF straight out of the box - all I had to do was set the hop.

The recoil isn't strong, absolutely nothing like the real thing, but it does add to the fun factor, as does the bolt stop.  I love using mine and it's pretty much always my first choice (apart from when I've changed something else on the G36), I run it on 7.4 lipos but other than that won't be changing anything else on it other than the hop rubber when it needs it - they don't need upgrading and can give years of use if they're not messed around with.

Slight difference with me, I specifically wanted a Sopmod, spent ages looking around at other brands but nothing came remotely close on build quality/reliability/reputation (Specna's Edge series hadn't been released yet) so the TM was pretty much the only choice.  I am definitely not disappointed that I "had" to buy one! ?

 

[Sneaky]

I have a TM Scar H and I totally love it, so I would be bias on this subject.  I like the realism of it and I always wanted a Scar H.  I have spent plenty on upgrades (soon to drop a Gate Titan).  Best thing to do is go airsofting and see if you can try a NGRS out and take it from there.  Some people like them and others hate them, which is fair enough.

Like with anything it is down to personal taste. Do you research of them too, before jumping in. 

 

[heroshark]

I don't really understand what there is to hate about them. They are a reliable AEG with recoil, bolt stop that work well oob. And continue to work well if you leave the gb stock. Cons? On a sliding scale of price you don't get all that more for your money, but if you can afford and like it why not. The power is a little low. My take is my last TM AEG ran fine for 11 years untouched. Long game I'll upgrade it when the gb goes, or there will be a better option for me by then. For now I popped a nice barrel in which gives enough of a boost. 

 

[Davegolf]

If you are set on an AEG, of an AR flavour and you can afford it then you will absolutely not regret purchasing one.

Aside from the performance and reliability, the controls and functions add another dimension to the fun of playing.

 

[Musica]

I think the upgrade culture popular youtubers have created make peoples perception warped to think they NEED upgraded as they don't even use them before getting tipple the price of the gun in parts put in.  

 

[EvilMonkee]

Are they good guns out of the box? Yes.  Are they the be all and end all they are pushed as? No.  And the most important question, are they worth the near (and frequently) over £500 price tag.  Fuck no.  

There are numerous other options just as good if not better considerably cheaper. 

 

[E21A]

Are they good guns out of the box? Yes.  Are they the be all and end all they are pushed as? No.  And the most important question, are they worth the near (and frequently) over £500 price tag.  Fuck no.  

There are numerous other options just as good if not better considerably cheaper. 

This. 

If price isn’t a problem and you don’t want to tinker/upgrade then they’re probably the best bet. Other than that, there’s plenty of options that will serve you well. 

 

[Davegolf]

And the most important question, are they worth the near (and frequently) over £500 price tag.  Fuck no.  

There are numerous other options just as good if not better considerably cheaper. 

I have to disagree with that statement.

Take it you've owned one @EvilMonkee?

 

[Musica]

I have to disagree with that statement.

Take it you've owned one @EvilMonkee?

I think it has to be said TMs aren't worth their money for performance. Other brands are just as good as firing bbs at people but TM are one of a few manufacturers that offer a feature set (EBB, Stop on empty and a cycling bolt). The only other brand that match feature for feature is the KWA ERGs or at least the only other brand that I know about. 

 

[Davegolf]

Performance is THE main thing with TM Recoils, I couldn't car less for the recoil feature, the hop system and air seal are leagues above the rest, accuracy AKA shot/hop consistency are what you're paying for.

None of these components need upgrading and are the biggest contributor to a decent gun.

The only limiting performance factor is the FPS when you really push it.

 

[EvilMonkee]

No, I have, however, fired lots and compared them directly to my own AEGs.  Take my CM4 for instance, I compared that not long ago to a TM 416D.  Roughly the same range, with the TM being a bit more accurate at longer ranges.  Or my LCT AKM which was far better unupgraded than the TM AK74 my friend was running (also un-upgraded). 

Out of the box un-upgraded they are an average AEG, there are other brands that will perform just as well.  The difference being those other brands won't cost you £500+ for a proprietary system with proprietary mags.  

But hey if you want to continue to buy the marketing thats your choice and good luck to you

I think it has to be said TMs aren't worth their money for performance. Other brands are just as good as firing bbs at people but TM are one of a few manufacturers that offer a feature set (EBB, Stop on empty and a cycling bolt). The only other brand that match feature for feature is the KWA ERGs or at least the only other brand that I know about. 

Indeed, and which were designed by the person who did the TM NGRS and which cost roughly £100-150 less......

 

[E21A]

Performance is THE main thing with TM Recoils, I couldn't car less for the recoil feature, the hop system and air seal are leagues above the rest, accuracy AKA shot/hop consistency are what you're paying for.

That same performance can be had for a lot less though. The recoil,stop on empty etc, in addition to otb performance, is the selling point of TM recoils 

 

[heroshark]

I'm not 100% but from what I've gleaned a stock erg does not have the reliability or longevity of a stock TM.  Now a TM may seem pricey on paper but depending on the comparative longevity of platforms if you just leave them as stock the extra you spend is worth it from my previous TMs long and reliable lives.

 

[Sneaky]

Are they good guns out of the box? Yes.  Are they the be all and end all they are pushed as? No.  And the most important question, are they worth the near (and frequently) over £500 price tag.  Fuck no.  

There are numerous other options just as good if not better considerably cheaper. 

I think it’s worth it, but that’s just me.

 

[Davegolf]

That same performance can be had for a lot less though. The recoil,stop on empty etc, in addition to otb performance, is the selling point of TM recoils 

Sure you can upgrade another gun to achieve similar performance hop wise, but it's the actual alignment of the gearbox, nozzle, hop unit that is hard to replicate to the standard of TM without serious time and skill input.

Quality control and component precision is what you're getting.

Bells and whistles are a bonus but other guns stick or modified are few and far between that can level with a TM on the hop / reliability front.

Just trying to give a round picture to the OP on the less obvious merits.

And if you wanted to upgrade it then spring change and Rhop are the only real big ones that pay off and get you 95% of what a Recoil is capable of at a 1J limit.

LiPo is a necessity.

 

[E21A]

Sure you can upgrade another gun to achieve similar performance hop wise, but it's the actual alignment of the gearbox, nozzle, hop unit that is hard to replicate to the standard of TM without serious time and skill input.

Im talking standard guns. 

 

[Davegolf]

Yeh that's what I mean, other guns need upgrading generally to level with a stock TM in that department