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Tippmann Theft Alert

Sorry to say this, but you seem to have invested a lot into what is a scribble on a napkin idea! 

Best to be reactive as it leaves us wiggle room. Lets not pre-emptively compromise as it won't stop the home office doing whatever it is you imply they will do. But rest assured no-one will blame you when they do. 


Really? What happened to prevention is better than a cure?

As I said, post your own suggestions or improve on mine. 

I do hope to see some creativity and originality. Feel free to start on a napkin if don't have paper to hand.

 
Don't blame me when They clamp down with some draconian measures.


Which is likely to be in response to RIFs being used in the commission of crimes that attract press attention, not being sold quietly to airsofters and turning up at sites.

I'm sure that we all agree that we don't want RIFs being stolen, single or en masse.

However, it's important to understand that most property theft is opportunistic.  Geezers will nick anything.  Easy access is more important than the value of the goods.  Airsoft RIFs, particularly AEGs, are already a poor haul for a thief.  They're relatively bulky, prone to attract all the wrong sorts of attention, and there isn't a big market for them compared to consumer electronics, or even tools.

However, once Pikey McGeezer has broken into a site or a van, he's going to blag whatever's there, just because it's there.  He's not going to stop and think "Oh, if these happen to have unique serials numbers, then three transactions down the line, some buyer might be slightly inconvenienced.  Nah, best not bother then."

No, the whole lot is going in their van, thence to Freddy the Fence or Daryyyl Dealer, who will do them a favour and give them fifty sovs or a couple of bumps for the lot, take it or leave it.  That's if they don't just dump them the canal or a hedgerow once they realise what they've got.

I do not believe that punishing a scant handful of good-faith purchasers well removed from the actual thieves will prevent any theft of airsoft RIFs.

 
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Which is likely to be in response to RIFs being used in the commission of crimes that attract press attention, not being sold quietly to airsofters and turning up at sites.

I'm sure that we all agree that we don't want RIFs being stolen, single or en masse.

However, it's important to understand that most property theft is opportunistic.  Geezers will nick anything.  Easy access is more important than the value of the goods.  Airsoft RIFs, particularly AEGs, are already a poor haul for a thief.  They're relatively bulky, prone to attract all the wrong sorts of attention, and there isn't a big market for them compared to consumer electronics, or even tools.

However, once Pikey McGeezer has broken into a site or a van, he's going to blag whatever's there, just because it's there.  He's not going to stop and think "Oh, if these happen to have unique serials numbers, then three transactions down the line, some buyer might be slightly inconvenienced.  Nah, best not bother then."

No, the whole lot is going in their van, thence to Freddy the Fence or Daryyyl Dealer, who will do them a favour and give them fifty sovs or a couple of bumps for the lot, take it or leave it.  That's if they don't just dump them the canal or a hedgerow once they realise what they've got.

I do not believe that punishing a scant handful of good-faith purchasers well removed from the actual thieves will prevent any theft of airsoft RIFs.


You are correct and I will adjust my suggestion with some thought over the weekend.

The barcode only works for recovering stolen RIFs once back into "a system".

I will be looking at the car sales business to see how people do not drive a stolen car onto a dealer's lot. Or maybe that does happen.

 
Really? What happened to prevention is better than a cure?

As I said, post your own suggestions or improve on mine. 

I do hope to see some creativity and originality. Feel free to start on a napkin if don't have paper to hand.


Edit:i just cba. Mods pls delete

 
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I will be looking at the car sales business to see how people do not drive a stolen car onto a dealer's lot. Or maybe that does happen.




They dont, they sell it on Gumtree with a throwaway phone number for £100 with "lost the V5, but its ok m8 just let the DVLA know and theyll send you a new one in a few weeks". Then the new owner gets a tug from the old bill because their car has a ANPR flag for being stolen in 6 months time, leaving the new buyer with no car and no money and possibly charged with handling stolen goods (albeit unlikely due to lack of reasonable knowledge).

Not to mention nobody really steals cars anymore because its too difficult. If anything high end cars are either stolen to order and put on the next lorry to Polanssiastan. Or things like Landrover Defenders stolen and broken down for parts because theres more money in that and easier to shift. Or theyre stolen to be used in crime like people nicking vans to ram into shops/steal ATMs. 

Nobody is going to be stealing AEGs to order or selling them on for parts because it's simply not profitable. And its highly unlikely anyone is going to nick an airsoft gun to do crime with. Because lets face it, nobody is going to believe some scrote sticking up the post office has actually got their hands on a real high end assault rifle. A pistol maybe, but why bother with the effort of nicking one when you could just buy a 4.5mm  CO2 pistol that looks more realistic from the local dodgey market trader with no questions asked and no risk of being caught stealing.  

Nobody is going to pay you to come up with some hairbrained idea to be "the next big thing" in airsoft like enforcing an aftermarket security marking on their guns. You seem to be bouncing between various half-thought out poor ideas in desperation to become airsoft-famous or something. And before you go "well cars have VINs..." yes, thats because its an internationally agreed thing to deal with what was major crime many years ago and the system has stuck because it worked. Its also very hard to replace things like the engine in a car so the engine number matches the one in the VIN plate. But what are you going to do to make that work on airsoft guns when people are modding out bits of their guns all the time? Or when they drop it and the reciever cracks and they buy a new one? "sorry mate you cant use that at our site today because the VIN plate on your  reciever chassis doesnt match your gearbox and you replaced the upper with a custom aftermarket MLOK rail system. Might be stolen".

And before you say "well improve on my idea then", no. For two reason. 1. You're not paying me to think for you 2. Its a total non-starter and anyone can see that.  

 
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Sure, it's fun to kick ideas around, and we all want the same thing.

However, RIFs are not cars - that's an apples-to-hovercraft comparison.  There are no standards for marking, and even if there were, the number of crimes deterred by them would be negligible - I'd argue non-existent.

On the subject of hovercraft cars, there used to be a Vehicle Identity Check (VIC) scheme whereby written off and repaired cars wouldn't be issued with a new V5C until they'd been inspected to check the vehicle identity hadn't been transferred to a stolen vehicle.  After 12 years of costs and hassle to law abiding motorists, the scheme was finally scrapped, having identified a sum total of 40 dodgy vehicles out of the 916,000+ that were inspected at £41 a go.

That's why I'd suggest being careful, now, before putting an obligation on airsoft players to constantly prove our innocence.  Criminals don't give a stuff what the law-abiding are doing, and stolen goods tend to circulate around rapscallions and ne'er-do-wells without questions being asked.

 
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I agree, you could end up adding 25%+ on the cost of a RIF to deter something that doesn't happen that often.

 
lol, apparently prison doesn't deter thieves, but a poorly thought out registration system will scare the shit out of them?

 
Only if the guns eventually make it to sites, which I'd imagine would happen at least two or three transactions away from the thieves.  The whole lot have probably been traded for a day's fix, then they'll be punted on by the fence or dealer as sweeteners to their under-age runners.  Most of them will languish in wardrobes, wrecked, or be chucked in a canal rather than sold on to anyone who'll have a clue what they really are.


^^This exactly.

Although my work is around financial crime investigation, the connection we see to the drug cultures is solid. This exactly has been the case in the past. I've see it first hand. If any are sold on, it will be from runners to their mates, they will unlikely ever end up in the airsoft world

 
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