The 'What have you just bought' Thread

[C-Diddy]

 
Very little impact? The TK45c is a compact and specialized smg. It's around the same size as a Firehawk with a small barrel to put that in perspective for you. Sure I could take it out on an open field but would I be maximizing my efficiency? I'm not sure I'd be half as productive or effective running such a super short barrelled platform for targets at a distance. Even a traditional M4 would suffice in this instance.

This is something I'd personally choose to run woodland and mil-sim. Only I'd have to get myself a L85 or SA80 for sentimental value ?  I'll definitely be attending more woodland games in future.
 
 

Not sure I'm into the whole mil-sim thing, but may well give it a go in future. I enjoy woodland and happy I switched up to the 416. Running an SA80 though? While they do have a special place in my heart, they also make me think of wearing a 5kg weight around my neck for a six hour watch and coming back from the range with SUSAT eye ?

 

[alxndrhll]

 
Very little impact? The TK45c is a compact and specialized smg. It's around the same size as a Firehawk with a small barrel to put that in perspective for you. Sure I could take it out on an open field but would I be maximizing my efficiency? I'm not sure I'd be half as productive or effective running such a super short barrelled platform for targets at a distance. Even a traditional M4 would suffice in this instance.

The inner barrel is 217mm, so it’s really not far off what many folks run to great effect in an AR replica of some description. If you were that worried you could just as easily swap the inner barrel out for something a bit longer and run a barrel extension or suppressor to cover the bit protruding from the end of the outer barrel.

Don’t get me wrong, if you simply want a different/new RIF for whatever reason then go nuts. But feeling you have to, to be able to compete outdoors is entirely not the case.

 

[Mr. No_Face]

The inner barrel is 217mm, so it’s really not far off what many folks run to great effect in an AR replica of some description. If you were that worried you could just as easily swap the inner barrel out for something a bit longer and run a barrel extension or suppressor to cover the bit protruding from the end of the outer barrel.

Don’t get me wrong, if you simply want a different/new RIF for whatever reason then go nuts. But feeling you have to, to be able to compete outdoors is entirely not the case.

I don't "feel" as if I have to do anything. This is a hobby. Buying RIFS to fit the occasion is no problem for me. Going by standard AR platforms the typical cm16 is 368.3mm. That's quite a difference. The SA and LA85s even longer.

 

[C-Diddy]

The inner barrel is 217mm, so it’s really not far off what many folks run to great effect in an AR replica of some description. If you were that worried you could just as easily swap the inner barrel out for something a bit longer and run a barrel extension or suppressor to cover the bit protruding from the end of the outer barrel.

Don’t get me wrong, if you simply want a different/new RIF for whatever reason then go nuts. But feeling you have to, to be able to compete outdoors is entirely not the case.

Good points well made. I agree entirely about using whatever gun you like for whatever reason. Woodland with a shotgun or CQB with a musket, if you're having fun, do it. 

The longer the barrel the greater the range, has some truth to it, as does the weight of the BB.  But, just as you don't see many people take a tee shot with a putter, it doesn't mean it can't be done. The results may be shit but you can have fun doing it. Airsoft should be a fun hobby. I think we get far too hung up on things like this...says he writing a comment at 0220 instead of getting some sleep.

 

[Mr. No_Face]

Good points well made. I agree entirely about using whatever gun you like for whatever reason. Woodland with a shotgun or CQB with a musket, if you're having fun, do it. 

The longer the barrel the greater the range, has some truth to it, as does the weight of the BB.  But, just as you don't see many people take a tee shot with a putter, it doesn't mean it can't be done. The results may be shit but you can have fun doing it. Airsoft should be a fun hobby. I think we get far too hung up on things like this...says he writing a comment at 0220 instead of getting some sleep.

Yeah which is why I was confused as to why it became a debate on what RIF to use. Nobody is dictating or stipulating anything. These are all opinions and suggestions.

When it pertains to myself it's about fun and performance and I subscribe to the science of airsoft too. I think some people are  a little too keen to flex their knowledge which isn't a bad thing. Makes for interesting discussion. 

 

[C-Diddy]

The inner barrel is 217mm, so it’s really not far off what many folks run to great effect in an AR replica of some description. If you were that worried you could just as easily swap the inner barrel out for something a bit longer and run a barrel extension or suppressor to cover the bit protruding from the end of the outer barrel.

Don’t get me wrong, if you simply want a different/new RIF for whatever reason then go nuts. But feeling you have to, to be able to compete outdoors is entirely not the case.

Yeah which is why I was confused as to why it became a debate on what RIF to use. Nobody is dictating or stipulating anything. These are all opinions and suggestions.

When it pertains to myself it's about fun and performance and I subscribe to the science of airsoft too. I think some people are  a little too keen to flex their knowledge which isn't a bad thing. Makes for interesting discussion. 

For me it's all about getting out there, having a good run about and enjoying shooting people with toy guns. I take my guns and gear seriously, but that plays into my enjoyment of the hobby. 

I think alxndrhll was making the same point; run whatever you think is cool and enjoy yourself without thinking that you have to keep up with other people. Still cracks me up that someone (usually me!) who has decent gear and guns, will still get taken out by a first time rental in jeans and a hoody, and that's great. Hopefully he or she will think "that was fun, shooting that guy in the dick. I want to do this again" and our merry band grows 

 

[alxndrhll]

Yeah which is why I was confused as to why it became a debate on what RIF to use. Nobody is dictating or stipulating anything. These are all opinions and suggestions.

When it pertains to myself it's about fun and performance and I subscribe to the science of airsoft too. I think some people are  a little too keen to flex their knowledge which isn't a bad thing. Makes for interesting discussion. 

The ‘science of airsoft’ when it comes to optimisation ultimately lands with volume matching to make sure that little cushion of air of shoves your BB along is Bob on, or as close as you can get, for the weight of BB you’re using.

There’s a whole lot of snake oil and horse shit out there in regard to what a longer barrel actually does and I was simply trying to offer some advice because your initial post stated you were ‘under the assumption’ that you might have to buy a different RIF to play in the woods.

Gauging the tone as best I can it seems like somehow you’ve taken offence to that, so I’ll go ahead and exit the conversation there at the risk of ‘flexing my knowledge’ too much again.

 

[Mr. No_Face]

The ‘science of airsoft’ when it comes to optimisation ultimately lands with volume matching to make sure that little cushion of air of shoves your BB along is Bob on, or as close as you can get, for the weight of BB you’re using.

There’s a whole lot of snake oil and horse shit out there in regard to what a longer barrel actually does and I was simply trying to offer some advice because your initial post stated you were ‘under the assumption’ that you might have to buy a different RIF to play in the woods.

Gauging the tone as best I can it seems like somehow you’ve taken offence to that, so I’ll go ahead and exit the conversation there at the risk of ‘flexing my knowledge’ too much again.

The ‘science of airsoft’ when it comes to optimisation ultimately lands with volume matching to make sure that little cushion of air of shoves your BB along is Bob on, or as close as you can get, for the weight of BB you’re using.

Ok?

"There’s a whole lot of snake oil and horse shit out there in regard to what a longer barrel actually does" 

it's physics. All of which you can research yourself online. Even conduct some simple experiments of your own in your home. 

Gauging the tone as best I can it seems like somehow you’ve taken offence to that, so I’ll go ahead and exit the conversation there at the risk of ‘flexing my knowledge’ too much again.

Your response didn't offend me. I just found it weird and uninformed for the most part.

 

[Lozart]

Yeah which is why I was confused as to why it became a debate on what RIF to use.

Because there's endless posts from people on here that say they want a longer barrelled gun for woodland purely because they're under the misapprehension that anything much more than about 200mm makes more than three parts of fuck all difference to accuracy and range (on an AEG at least - bolties are a whole different can of badger turds).

I refer you to my reply in the "Why did you start airsoft?" thread regarding the physics aspect.

 

[AlphaBear]

My barrel is 8.5inches and has a wide girth. The girth probably explains why I can never shoot on target. Damn. ??‍  I’ll stick to storming the Tantive IV  

 

[Mr. No_Face]

Because there's endless posts from people on here that say they want a longer barrelled gun for woodland purely because they're under the misapprehension that anything much more than about 200mm makes more than three parts of fuck all difference to accuracy and range (on an AEG at least - bolties are a whole different can of badger turds).

I refer you to my reply in the "Why did you start airsoft?" thread regarding the physics aspect.

Yeah and I'm not one of those folks.

Especially when it pertains to accuracy. Range and Accuracy are completely different instances. I was referring to the extremes of short barrelled platforms like the TK45c or Firehawk which would not perform at the same level as even standard barrel length platforms in those environments.

 

[Lozart]

Yeah and I'm not one of those folks.

Especially when it pertains to accuracy. Range and Accuracy are completely different instances. I was referring to the extremes of short barrelled platforms like the TK45c or Firehawk which would not perform at the same level as even standard barrel length platforms in those environments.

OK, let me put it this way - you have 29 posts up to this point. Those of us with higher counts have seen this conversation time and again so it becomes second nature to assume (rightly or wrongly) that the same reasoning is being applied. 

As far as the short length of the barrel goes - how would you explain the MK23? That has a 123mm inner barrel and yet is well known for its range and accuracy. The quality of the bore and the effectiveness of the hop unit/nub/rubber combination has far more effect on range and accuracy than an extra 100mm of barrel length.

 

[Mr. No_Face]

OK, let me put it this way - you have 29 posts up to this point. Those of us with higher counts have seen this conversation time and again so it becomes second nature to assume (rightly or wrongly) that the same reasoning is being applied. 

As far as the short length of the barrel goes - how would you explain the MK23? That has a 123mm inner barrel and yet is well known for its range and accuracy. The quality of the bore and the effectiveness of the hop unit/nub/rubber combination has far more effect on range and accuracy than an extra 100mm of barrel length.

1. Hey man...That's kinda not my problem. (no offense) It's kinda like that "under siege movie" where the bad guy says: "Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups" I would have thought the mention of TK45cs and the firehawk alone would lead you to the fact that I am referencing extremes since they are super specialized platforms.

2. MK23? you mean good range for a pistol? Also internal components obviously contribute to the effective range and accuracy nobody is debating that either. 

 

[alxndrhll]

OK, let me put it this way - you have 29 posts up to this point. Those of us with higher counts have seen this conversation time and again so it becomes second nature to assume (rightly or wrongly) that the same reasoning is being applied. 

As far as the short length of the barrel goes - how would you explain the MK23? That has a 123mm inner barrel and yet is well known for its range and accuracy. The quality of the bore and the effectiveness of the hop unit/nub/rubber combination has far more effect on range and accuracy than an extra 100mm of barrel length.

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[Mr. No_Face]

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Does posting "clever" memes devalue anything I have said? I certainly don't think so.

 

[Lozart]

1. Hey man...That's kinda not my problem. (no offense) It's kinda like that "under siege movie" where the bad guy says: "Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups" I would have thought the mention of TK45cs and the firehawk alone would lead you to the fact that I am referencing extremes since they are super specialized platforms.

2. MK23? you mean good range for a pistol? Also internal components obviously contribute to the effective range and accuracy nobody is debating that either. 

Nobody said it was your problem. I was explaining why your post may have been misinterpreted. The platform (specialised or not) is irrelevant, the critical points remain the same. Past 200mm barrel length you will not get massive improvements in range and accuracy by adding 100mm or so length. The most important factors are bore quality and hop effectiveness. Getting a longer barrelled M4 will not make you more accurate or have way better accuracy unless it also has a more effective hop unit and a better barrel than either your TK45c or your Firehawk (which is ENTIRELY possible given that they aren't the best to begin with). None of which should stop you from buying whatever you please (and I'm sure it won't). 

As for the MK23, no I mean good range and accuracy as an absolute regardless of platform.

 

[Speedbird_666]

The quality of the bore and the effectiveness of the hop unit/nub/rubber combination has far more effect on range and accuracy than an extra 100mm of barrel length.

This x1000.

2. MK23? you mean good range for a pistol? Also internal components obviously contribute to the effective range and accuracy nobody is debating that either. 

A NBB MK23 can out-range many AEGs and exhibit better accuracy whilst doing so - all with a very short inner barrel. Why do you think so many people are strapping 3d printed carbine kits onto them and using them as DMRs?

It was proven in paintball many years ago, and also proven in Airsoft a number of times over the years too that longer barrel length =/= better range or accuracy.

 

[alxndrhll]

Does posting "clever" memes devalue anything I have said? I certainly don't think so.

No, the fact everything you’re saying only serves to spread misinformation is doing that for you.

Your ‘specialised platform’ is a version 2 gearbox (with a proprietary tappet plate) and a 6.05 217mm inner barrel, all wrapped up to make it not look entirely like an AR outside... while being precisely that on the inside.

You’ve made it very clear you think you know better, so you go ahead and do whatever suits you best.

P.S. The Mk23 doesn’t have good range and accuracy ‘for a pistol’, it has good range and accuracy ‘for an airsoft replica’. 

 

[Mr. No_Face]

No, the fact everything you’re saying only serves to spread misinformation is doing that for you.

Your ‘specialised platform’ is a version 2 gearbox (with a proprietary tappet plate) and a 6.05 217mm inner barrel, all wrapped up to make it not look entirely like an AR outside... while being precisely that on the inside.

You’ve made it very clear you think you know better, so you go ahead and do whatever suits you best.

P.S. The Mk23 doesn’t have good range and accuracy ‘for a pistol’, it has good range and accuracy ‘for an airsoft replica’. 

- So it's apparent now you don't know what the term "specialised platform" means either?  You instead thought it necessary to fill me in on the mechanics for some reason I do not comprehend

You’ve made it very clear you think you know better, so you go ahead and do whatever suits you best.

- At this point in regard to the number of mistranslations, misinterpretations, assumptions I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Nobody said it was your problem. I was explaining why your post may have been misinterpreted. The platform (specialised or not) is irrelevant, the critical points remain the same. Past 200mm barrel length you will not get massive improvements in range and accuracy by adding 100mm or so length. The most important factors are bore quality and hop effectiveness. Getting a longer barrelled M4 will not make you more accurate or have way better accuracy unless it also has a more effective hop unit and a better barrel than either your TK45c or your Firehawk (which is ENTIRELY possible given that they aren't the best to begin with). None of which should stop you from buying whatever you please (and I'm sure it won't). 

As for the MK23, no I mean good range and accuracy as an absolute regardless of platform.

Nobody said it was your problem. I was explaining why your post may have been misinterpreted.

I know that. To which I responded it's not my problem if something is interpreted incorrectly. 

The platform (specialised or not) is irrelevant, the critical points remain the same.

- We've gone in circles again and for some reason you're mentioning accuracy.
 

Hey man, I'm tapping out of this. I will end up sounding like an arsehole and this will turn into a dick measuring contest pretty soon. You guys are a lot older than me and are set in stone in your beliefs. 

 

[C-Diddy]

No, the fact everything you’re saying only serves to spread misinformation is doing that for you.

Your ‘specialised platform’ is a version 2 gearbox (with a proprietary tappet plate) and a 6.05 217mm inner barrel, all wrapped up to make it not look entirely like an AR outside... while being precisely that on the inside.

You’ve made it very clear you think you know better, so you go ahead and do whatever suits you best.

P.S. The Mk23 doesn’t have good range and accuracy ‘for a pistol’, it has good range and accuracy ‘for an airsoft replica’.