THE TM MWS thread

[Davegolf]

Have a good look for burrs or marring over on edges of the trigger parts

 

[SSPKali]

Have a good look for burrs or marring over on edges of the trigger parts

^ this. See where the trigger bar has worn the inside of the trigger box (usually at diagonally opposide corners) Polish that side of the trigger with some really fine wet+dry to make sure it doesn't bind under spring pressure. 

The best lube is Graphite lock lube, it comes in a tiny thumb-sized spray bottle and is really slick, dry and doesn't attract dirt. £8 off Amazon and it will last for ages. Just make sure you wipe off the excess as it gets everywhere!

Failing that the WiiTech trigger parts are lovely and will improve the trigger but will cost £££££

 

[Hypokondrikern]

How often should you clean out the trigger box? 

 

[Davegolf]

I like the gun oil as it washes dirt out but on the flip side will attract light dust.

So on that basis depending on how dirty a day you’ve had ? flush it out at then of the day or remove it/clean/reinstall.

Same goes for all cleaning, depends how shitty you get the gun

You know if you drop a mag business end in the dirt then your an idiot if you stuff it in the gun ?

 

[Jacket]

@Jacket

Beautiful build, could you elaborate on the PDW stock? Any issues or something to consider before buying? 
 

@AngryDad223 thanks for letting us know. My end cap is actually a bit loose. Time for locktite or maybe a new stock ...

The PDW stock was brilliant, all metal and very solid. Spring and buffer were much smaller than standard. Recoil felt more snappy. No feeding issues and bolt always locked back. I sort of want to do the same thing again but can’t find the stock for sale anywhere now

 

[Hypokondrikern]

@Davegolf Yeah, that's self explanatory but there is no sign of that the trigger box needs a little love? Maybe its time to open up that trigger box after all. Two years of ownership + the unknown use of the previous owner. 

@Jacket Lovely to hear. But you cant remember the brand? G&P?

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I am trying to build a milsim kit for longer games ( I more or less only play at Berget once a year ) and I want to have the MWS ready for this task. I have the complete rifle + a spare BCG. The nozzle and nozzle spring are the only "fragile" parts that might pose a problem during such games which are covered by the extra BCG I have. But what would be the next backup investment? The lower seems pretty solid. Would a second upper be useful? In case of hop problems? which already seem pretty rare... let me know if there is something I'm missing

 

[Jacket]

Yes it was G&P

 

[SSPKali]

@Davegolf Yeah, that's self explanatory but there is no sign of that the trigger box needs a little love? Maybe its time to open up that trigger box after all. Two years of ownership + the unknown use of the previous owner. 

@Jacket Lovely to hear. But you cant remember the brand? G&P?

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I am trying to build a milsim kit for longer games ( I more or less only play at Berget once a year ) and I want to have the MWS ready for this task. I have the complete rifle + a spare BCG. The nozzle and nozzle spring are the only "fragile" parts that might pose a problem during such games which are covered by the extra BCG I have. But what would be the next backup investment? The lower seems pretty solid. Would a second upper be useful? In case of hop problems? which already seem pretty rare... let me know if there is something I'm missing

A spare bolt (or at least a complete nozzle) is a good start. Like you say feed nozzles and springs are the weak point and quite easy to change out.

I would add in a TM hop rubber and tools to change it. Rare that it would be trashed during a game but would make it U/S if it does.

Mag feed lips and gas router. Again rare to have an issue but could leave you a mag down (depends how many you have already!) Bit more of a faff to change in the field. 

With all these things make sure you are confident in diagnosing an issue and fixing it with minimum faffing. You will have some downtime but you probably don't want to spend it fixing stuff! 

 

[Davegolf]

@Hypokondrikern If you’ve run the gun hard for 2 years that trigger set definitely needs some loving!

The while gun should be well work hardened by now, and would greatly benefit from a ‘trim’ up ?

 

[Hypokondrikern]

@SSPKali Thanks! Lot's of good thoughts. I'll scan the internet for a second upper to go with the spare BCG. Mags are plentiful and have spare parts!

@Davegolf I have only skirmished a handful of times but I'll open it up as I don't know what abuse it might have seen from the previous owner. When is it time to change the springs in the MWS? And should I release the buffer spring when stored ( for a pandemic )? 

 

[TadsJ2]

Hey guys,

So after yesterday i noticed some plastic bits are coming out of my buffer tube, so I disassembled the buffer tube and noticed that the buffer spring guide has chewed some plastic off of it...

I have a few questions:

What could be the cause of it? Can it be 170% nozzle return spring? Maybe 345 fps that my gun is constantly shooting? Or is it because when i tried the gun on max npas set it shot 413fps?

So what do u suggest I do now, can i continue to use mtr16 or should I change the plastic buffer spring guide to something made from metal? Like G&P Aluminum buffer spring guide v2? 

EDIT: I had no choice but to shoot out the remaining magazines before I store them until the next game day, i dissassembled the buffer spring guide again and saw no new cracks, so i guess it is from 413fps.
Which aluminum buffer spring guide do you suggest me to get? Maybe G&P V2

? (definitely NOT AG right? )

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[Davegolf]

@Hypokondrikern just fire the gun off so it is not stored ‘cocked’ then all the springs will be released.

@TadsJ2 that broken part is called ‘buffer part B’, get a new one, keep the TM buffer but run a HSB spacer with it and this will not happen again.

The TM Buffer is the most gas efficient and fastest cycling, as well as  not damaging the buffer tube.

 

[TadsJ2]

@TadsJ2 that broken part is called ‘buffer part B’, get a new one, keep the TM buffer but run a HSB spacer with it and this will not happen again.

The TM Buffer is the most gas efficient and fastest cycling, as well as  not damaging the buffer tube.

Everywhere I looked part B is out of stock what about HSB spacer? can i only get it from SixG? also he doesnt ship overseas? 

Also what about guns modify ? i suppose part B is not interswitchable between guns modify and TM original one? 

 

[TadsJ2]

I wrote to SixG to ask whether he ships overseas... 
As to regarding to buffer spring guide Part B maybe someone has ant .stl file of it for 3d printing? since i cant find it in stock anywhere i might as well print it...

 

[Davegolf]

Hi, the Modify Polymer buffer will be fine, its jsut all the heavy metal roller wierd ones you wnat to avoid.

 

[TadsJ2]

Hi, the Modify Polymer buffer will be fine, its jsut all the heavy metal roller wierd ones you wnat to avoid.

thanks! thats a relief I found some modify polymer buffers and SixG replied that he is shipping to my address so thats good news! also for now the gun is working and shooting well even with broken end, i've put some isolating tape on the broken end and melted it a little bit so it doesnt come off that easily, will have to do until replacements come or would u just suggest to leave it to rest until i swap out buffer spring guide ?

 

[Davegolf]

You could cut it off square so it has a flat end, cut some rubber discs same diameter as the buffer tube ID or something that add upto the length that is missing from the the Buffer part B, so the buffer spring holds them in place.

That way if you do want to keep using it the buffer wont be over travelling.

 

[TadsJ2]

You could cut it off square so it has a flat end, cut some rubber discs same diameter as the buffer tube ID or something that add upto the length that is missing from the the Buffer part B, so the buffer spring holds them in place.

That way if you do want to keep using it the buffer wont be over travelling.

Nice idea, but wouldnt additional rubber discs shorten and strengthen the spring therefore the buffer guide rod wouldnt travel as much and buffer spring guide "part a" would hit buffer tube spring holding latch harder? Therefore would be at higher risk of braking the aforementioned latch?

 

[Davegolf]

No that is all good, its partly the reason your part broke, the buffer is at too high a speed when it stops.

 

[Groot]

Short usage review.

First outing with my MWS on Sat and I enjoyed it but it wasn't as good as my PTW. 

I think I need to spend a little more time getting the hop just perfect and zero it again.

It was also only about 5-8'C when I was using it and it just felt a bit weak. I was using Predator Red Gas. 

I don't think I gave it a fair shake of the stick. Simply because of how good my PTW is. 
I point and that thing sends the shots accurately and at a known range and consistency. 

My MWS was in my head a 50/50 chance of hitting the player. 

Was also my first time running a short scope, rather than a dot sight. Which was very different.
I really enjoyed being able to see the target and getting that extra bit of optics on them to follow the shot in. 
I found it slower to get on target. Which is obviously their negative vs a dot. But I will continue to practice. 

So from a historic full AEG convert.

I think I will enjoy using the MWS but I don't think it is as suited to a woodland game as an AEG and that is mainly due to the low ammo count vs weight on the mags.  
I liked the realism but didn't like the weigh of having just 4 mags on me. Let along the 7 AEG, I usually carry. 

For Combat mission, heavy storyline milsim and probably for some CQB games. It will be the winner for smiles and realism.

I just don't think if I had the option and wanted to win a game, i would pick it over my PTW or NGRS. 

That said. Lets see how I feel after my next game. Where it will be the only thing I take with me. 

Gunman US vs Russia at the end of May