THE TM MWS thread

[Marroksteel]

@Davegolf
Thank you for the nubs. Still waiting on other part's to get in before I start building but afterwards I'll have 2 mws's really for fun next year lol.

 

[Davegolf]

@Davegolf
Thank you for the nubs. Still waiting on other part's to get in before I start building but afterwards I'll have 2 mws's really for fun next year lol.

No problem, look forward to seeing your builds on here ?

@jsmithski I agree completely, love the original look, front sight posts always look awesome I think

 

[jsmithski]

Regarding the trigger, I did disassemble the thing, polished all rough surfaces I could find (scratched due to friction) and relubed (ptfe grease). I do not notice any change in the trigger pull though, works just fine so I guess it’s just the design that sucks a bit. I also noticed that moving parts are silver-like coated but the coating can easily chip off, again this is probably low quality stuff.

 

[SSPKali]

Regarding the trigger, I did disassemble the thing, polished all rough surfaces I could find (scratched due to friction) and relubed (ptfe grease). I do not notice any change in the trigger pull though, works just fine so I guess it’s just the design that sucks a bit. I also noticed that moving parts are silver-like coated but the coating can easily chip off, again this is probably low quality stuff.

I have a complete set of Wii Tech hardened steel trigger parts on their way, I have the hammer already and the material and finish is much better than the stock TM stuff.

I will post details once I have it all fitted.

 

[jsmithski]

Bolt catch. When I gently press to release it, it first makes a short move, just like the trigger and friction can be heard. I think the bolt catch moves sideways too much so needs shimming. Anyone tried fixing it?

 

[jsmithski]

I have a complete set of Wii Tech hardened steel trigger parts on their way, I have the hammer already and the material and finish is much better than the stock TM stuff.

I will post details once I have it all fitted.

So shimming the trigger box did not help? You said it works fine now.

 

[SSPKali]

So shimming the trigger box did not help? You said it works fine now.

It certainly helped, and the trigger worked ok but the edges of the sears were still worn...and I love chasing incremental improvements ?

 

[Noddy45]

Hey folks - I see that defconairsoft have the Tokyo Marui MK18 MOD.1 GBBR in stock along with the Tm mags.

For €60 cheaper than I can get locally on a pre order for a mid December delivery maybe.

May I ask are they a good company to deal with in your opinion.

This may not be the place for this post but I didn’t want to start a new topic and I thought it maybe of interest to some on this thread.

 

[Guest]

Hey folks - I see that defconairsoft have the Tokyo Marui MK18 MOD.1 GBBR in stock along with the Tm mags.

For €60 cheaper than I can get locally on a pre order for a mid December delivery maybe.

May I ask are they a good company to deal with in your opinion.

This may not be the place for this post but I didn’t want to start a new topic and I thought it maybe of interest to some on this thread.

I’ve bought a few bits from them with zero issues

 

[Wild Weasel]

Hey folks, I'm looking at possibly running rothenberger map pro gas this winter, I'm sure a few people on here have spoke about it before what's the general score with it?

 

[Uncle Pauly]

Added a MK18 rail.  Can’t decide if I need a tan CTR stock now. Already have a tan RVG or shall I leave it as is?

I like that! Nice simplicity to it. I'd personally leave the stock black, but YMMV ?

Quick question: anyone know whether the Magpul trigger guards are compatible with the MWS? ?

So as a quick follow-up I can now confirm that:

1. The Magpul trigger guards do fit the MWS, but only after a wee bit of filing down in places (this applies to the aluminium guard; the plastic version might be a less 'fettly' fit).
   
2. A snapped trigger guard tab can be easily and quite convincingly repaired using Gorilla Glue, following some initial and copious swearing ? (damn those things are brittle!).
   

 

[Sayrush]

So I have realised that basically everybody here already has this gun and to be honest, I am my self close on getting one my self. But I have a few concerns that make me a bit unsure of getting it and I hope you fellow already owners can clear my doubts. 

Now, I have fallen in love with the gas blowback mechanic, and I heard about how good this m4 from tm was,  the problem is pretty simple, I have never worked with gas outside of using gas at home for cooking to be fair. I have no idea how well this sort of gun is going to be able to perform or even survive in the somewhat cold weather we have here in Nothern Ireland, I do not expect it to compare to AEG, or to be amazing in the field, but I don´t want the gun to die on me either because it is not made to work correctly in this temperatures. Is the temperature something that would end up being a terrible problem? Any sort of help towards this would be incredible appreciated as I am really just looking for any excuse to buy it, but I have a local airsoft store owner scare me away from getting a gbbr on here Belfast, I´ve heard that it also goes down to the rifle being good? Some brands and some rifles are made better therefore being able to still perform decently in cold weathers? 

I apologise for asking so many questions, but thanks a lot if anybody does answer them.

Have an amazing day. 

 

[jsmithski]

It certainly helped, and the trigger worked ok but the edges of the sears were still worn...and I love chasing incremental improvements ?

You have the same condition as I do. Constant improvement that costs more than stock gear. 

So I have realised that basically everybody here already has this gun and to be honest, I am my self close on getting one my self. But I have a few concerns that make me a bit unsure of getting it and I hope you fellow already owners can clear my doubts. 

Now, I have fallen in love with the gas blowback mechanic, and I heard about how good this m4 from tm was,  the problem is pretty simple, I have never worked with gas outside of using gas at home for cooking to be fair. I have no idea how well this sort of gun is going to be able to perform or even survive in the somewhat cold weather we have here in Nothern Ireland, I do not expect it to compare to AEG, or to be amazing in the field, but I don´t want the gun to die on me either because it is not made to work correctly in this temperatures. Is the temperature something that would end up being a terrible problem? Any sort of help towards this would be incredible appreciated as I am really just looking for any excuse to buy it, but I have a local airsoft store owner scare me away from getting a gbbr on here Belfast, I´ve heard that it also goes down to the rifle being good? Some brands and some rifles are made better therefore being able to still perform decently in cold weathers? 

I apologise for asking so many questions, but thanks a lot if anybody does answer them.

Have an amazing day. 

Those beasts work on green gas in temperatures close to 0. They are much better than the average AEG. If you want to start your gbbr journey, go for it. You’ll end up spending a lot of money, much more than on AEGs though, and I’m not talking about repairs but simply upgrades. I own several gbbrs and I would not trade them for best in class AEGs. Never.

 

[Sayrush]

Those beasts work on green gas in temperatures close to 0. They are much better than the average AEG. If you want to start your gbbr journey, go for it. You’ll end up spending a lot of money, much more than on AEGs though, and I’m not talking about repairs but simply upgrades. I own several gbbrs and I would not trade them for best in class AEGs. Never.

Damn, well I am sold, and trust me, with how much I am in love with them after playing around with a sr25 from tm, I don´t mind a single bit spending money in this beauties.

 

[AlphaBear]

News flash:

Defcon have the MWS mags in... £49/pop. Get them whilst you can

Oh and they have the new MK18 MWS in stock too....

 

[ajumma]

You have the same condition as I do. Constant improvement that costs more than stock gear. 

Those beasts work on green gas in temperatures close to 0. They are much better than the average AEG. If you want to start your gbbr journey, go for it. You’ll end up spending a lot of money, much more than on AEGs though, and I’m not talking about repairs but simply upgrades. I own several gbbrs and I would not trade them for best in class AEGs. Never.

woah woah woah hold up there, a stock TM MWS with green gas will struggle at 0°C and it's unavoidable. This kind of freezing weather is simply out of the effective operating temperature range of green gas. The chart below says that Green gas/Nuprol 2.0 at 10°C will have a pressure of 5.6 bar/81 PSI which is really weak already, even Nuprol 1.0 says that it operates at 8 bar/115PSI, at it's optimal temperature. I get around 1 magazine of "full power" shots out my a single mag fully gassed up with green gas at a temperature of 9°C. My first shot clocks in at 89m/s (281fps) and my last few end up around 79m/s (256fps) and there is a very significant difference in feel and sound between those first and last shots too. The first 10-15 shots are very consistent, but then the magazine starts to get cold as shit and the fps dips by 1m/s every other shot. Also bear in mind my magazines are the newer versions which supposedly don't require the green gas mod.

The saving grace here is that you can simply run higher pressure gas such as red (nuprol 3.0) at these kinds of temperatures. Red/Nuprol 3.0 at 10 degrees will have a pressure of 7.7 bar which is perfectly acceptable for an MWS, and if you're at sub 0 temperatures, black gas is likely your only option or HPA tapped magazines, but lets be honest we're using GBBRs so we DONT have to carry around a damn air tank so that's not an option ?

Also, you can simply get a light weight/aluminium bolt to improve your gas efficiency in cold weather. There are quite a few options out there too. 

 

[jsmithski]

woah woah woah hold up there, a stock TM MWS with green gas will struggle at 0°C and it's unavoidable. This kind of freezing weather is simply out of the effective operating temperature range of green gas. The chart below says that Green gas/Nuprol 2.0 at 10°C will have a pressure of 5.6 bar/81 PSI which is really weak already, even Nuprol 1.0 says that it operates at 8 bar/115PSI, at it's optimal temperature. I get around 1 magazine of "full power" shots out my a single mag fully gassed up with green gas at a temperature of 9°C. My first shot clocks in at 89m/s (281fps) and my last few end up around 79m/s (256fps) and there is a very significant difference in feel and sound between those first and last shots too. The first 10-15 shots are very consistent, but then the magazine starts to get cold as shit and the fps dips by 1m/s every other shot. Also bear in mind my magazines are the newer versions which supposedly don't require the green gas mod.



The saving grace here is that you can simply run higher pressure gas such as red (nuprol 3.0) at these kinds of temperatures. Red/Nuprol 3.0 at 10 degrees will have a pressure of 7.7 bar which is perfectly acceptable for an MWS, and if you're at sub 0 temperatures, black gas is likely your only option or HPA tapped magazines, but lets be honest we're using GBBRs so we DONT have to carry around a damn air tank so that's not an option ?

Also, you can simply get a light weight/aluminium bolt to improve your gas efficiency in cold weather. There are quite a few options out there too. 

I said “close to 0”. I use 14kg green gas in temperatures not less than 10C. Below I use propylene (mapp gas) and I did not notice any issues.

 

[Wild Weasel]

I said “close to 0”. I use 14kg green gas in temperatures not less than 10C. Below I use propylene (mapp gas) and I did not notice any issues.

Can I have a bit more detail about your mapp gas experiences please? I.e. internal upgrades, brand of mapp gas, BB weight FPS please, I asked this a page ago and nobody answered.

 

[jsmithski]

Can I have a bit more detail about your mapp gas experiences please? I.e. internal upgrades, brand of mapp gas, BB weight FPS please, I asked this a page ago and nobody answered.

I don’t have any numbers, I can get it to you this weekend if I go out skirmishing as it’s going to be below 10C. Mapp gas brand does not matter, internal upgrades are not needed as mapp gas in cold weather will have same pressure output as green gas on a warm day. But indeed some math should be done here.

 

[Sayrush]

So basically, when it is cold gotta use a different gas. What I was just concerned about is that if you can own a MWS here in the UK and be able to use it most of the year, I do not mind if I need to upgrade it or use different gas, also. For CQB I guess it wont be as bad as the temperature inside is higher right? 

Thanks for everything.