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The GBBR Thread

On my g5 I fully load the mag then remove the last bb. If your mag spring is too tight then it could be locking the bb in the feed lip. Try leaving 20 rounds loaded for a few days. If it is the feed lips themselves that is the problem am not sure

 
My AKS74U came with a speedloader attachment which makes loading easier (once I'd practised a fair bit and the springs had bedded in) but unless held a certain way the adapter had a habit of detaching from the speed loader so I've glued it on now. Best GBB mag for loading that I've seen is the CO2 powered KWC Mini Uzi which is a double stack design and the mag follower can be pulled down and bbs poured in from the top by hand (like many pistol mags) as the feed lips are quite far apart,yet it feeds flawlessly.

 
Thanks for the feedback guys. The guns brand new as are the three mags. I thought the mags would load the same as gas pistol mags with a spring you pull down, but that's obviously not the case. I tried using the loader that came with the gun, filled it up with only 10 BB's, connected it the the mag and tried to feed them, but no matter how hard I pushed I couldn't force the BB's through the lips. I tried from an angle with my speed loader, but again couldn't get them to load, so resorted to feeding one at a time from about a 45 degree angle. It seems that the lips are too hard and so won't allow the BB's to feed in and then won't allow them to feed out again once the mag is in the gun. As I say, the gun's firing fine, just no BB's coming out the Barrel. Will the lips soften with use, or is there something I'm doing wrong? I've not had this issue with any of my other guns, but this is the first gas rifle I've had.

 
Could be a few things: tight spring holding the things in too well, too much lubricant (or possibly the lack of it) preventing feeding, or making things too slippy to allow feeding, the mag lips being to tight, sh*t BBs (I think we can probably discount that one). Check to make sure there is no raised bit of molding on the feed lip of the mag (if there is, a needle file can sort that out, but be careful and make sure it is the issue before going at it with a file, because you can't put material back lol), have a good look to make sure everything looks like it should work/is aligned properly, it's unlikely to be the case, but not impossible, if the barrel is not lined up or in the gearbox/hop properly, that could cause it not to fire a BB but still to cycle okay.

Can you manually feed a BB into the gun to see if it is actually firing them? Check to ensure there's not one jammed in there, or some other obstruction in the barrel or chamber. New guns quite often have a fair bit of crap on the inside of the barrel as a result of the manufacturing process, so put that cleaning/unjamming to use, you might be surprised how much shite comes out of your 'new' gun, and any appreciable quantity of lubricant which has run down the inside of the barrel could possibly prevent a BB going through. Sometimes that crappy polystyrene the rifle comes packed in can bung things up, it was all over the internals of my SRC AK74U when that arrived because the upper receiver was open in transit, I had to strip it to get all the bits of polystyrene out of the thing, there's really not much clearance between the barrel inside radius and the BB, so even something small can stop stuff going through it..

 
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I've got 12 WE M4/STANAG mags and have never had any of the issues you describe? I'm guessing you have the same problem with all three mags? One might have some minor manufacturing defect affecting the lips, but three? I think you need someone who is familiar with WE GBB mags to have a quick look, Ed is our resident GBB guru, maybe he has another idea?

Good point from Chock, check the bore and barrel are clear and load a bb in to the chamber, fit a mag with only gas in it and see what happens?

 
Its a standard GHK issue - it comes from the mag feed lips being too tight, you can either just wait till they are broken in a bit more or file the feed lips down gently. I had to do it on all my AK74 mags. If you mess it up new feed lips aren't expensive.

 
WE mags take an art to load with a speed loader. One thing to bear in mind is that you dont need to force the BB in when loading by hand. They slide into between the lips. Have a look at someone loading a real steel magazine and replicate the technique. I cant think of a good way to describe it. When loading it with a speed loader you will need to apply pressure to the BBs already in the magazine otherwise the spring is way to strong for you to be able to just force BBs in there. Load each mag a few times by hand first though to take some of the tension out of the spring, they are ridiculously strong.

Edit. The guy loading the pistol magazine here is a good example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM_5JRLRY7M

 
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they look lovely, but when you reload you need to reload two seperate things... the mag and the gas, which with very limited amount of shots will be a royal pain in the bum!

 
The gas doesn't run out after one mag-shell worth of shots and you can get a lot of shots out of a gas tank, the videos are out there. Not sure if you have a TM 870 that's performing badly or what, but they're not nearly that bad.

 
personally would never buy a shotgun for airsoft as they are not very skirmishable unless you are on a milsim game. I love the idea of those CO2 shell eject ones but again just not very practical in airsoft.
I'd personally not get on with having to fill the gas and the shells and load the shells. Only shotty imo worth having is an M203 with CO2 powered shower shells! :D

 
I see people use them at CQB/Indoor sites all the time to great effect, I'm sorry but 'not very skirmishable' really just isn't right, and the TM 870s are immensely more practical than a shell ejector (maybe not as fun, but that's not the topic at hand). You get 10 shots worth of BBs from a shell in the 3-rnd mode with a TM, switching shells takes a couple of seconds and you'll get many shells from a fill of gas. I don't know many people that'd empty their gas tank during the average CQB game and bombing everything back up again in the safe zone is no more complicated or time consuming than doing the same with GBBr or GBB pistol magazines, not in the slightest.

Bear in mind, looooots of people lurk forums like this and when you state your opinions in the form of facts that's a bad combination. In the case where you've clearly little to no experience of the system in question, I don't think making sweeping statements is a good idea tbh. Not trying to start a war here and not having a go, but some stuff you've said there just isn't the case.

 
I absolutely loved my TM 870, range on it was lethal with .28g BBs and it'd happily empty 10 shells worth of shots on one fill of gas.

Sadly I bought it for CQB and the full length shotgun just didn't work for me in that environment, went back to using the MP7 instead.

 
Really happy with my 870 breacher for CQB as it's the perfect length, wanted to get the original version but the length always put me off. That said my mates just got the standard one and is really enjoying it.

 
I'm eyeing up a TM M870 Gas Shotgun, somebody please dissuade me ........
The original post was the basis for my reply, he asked to be dissuaded not encouraged! ;-) :D

I see people use them at CQB/Indoor sites all the time to great effect, I'm sorry but 'not very skirmishable' really just isn't right, and the TM 870s are immensely more practical than a shell ejector (maybe not as fun, but that's not the topic at hand). You get 10 shots worth of BBs from a shell in the 3-rnd mode with a TM, switching shells takes a couple of seconds and you'll get many shells from a fill of gas. I don't know many people that'd empty their gas tank during the average CQB game and bombing everything back up again in the safe zone is no more complicated or time consuming than doing the same with GBBr or GBB pistol magazines, not in the slightest.

Bear in mind, looooots of people lurk forums like this and when you state your opinions in the form of facts that's a bad combination. In the case where you've clearly little to no experience of the system in question, I don't think making sweeping statements is a good idea tbh. Not trying to start a war here and not having a go, but some stuff you've said there just isn't the case.
 
The original post was the basis for my reply, he asked to be dissuaded not encouraged! ;-) :D
Yeah but you know what that actually means on an airsoft forum right? That's like when a woman says "oh no, I don't want anything".

 
hahahaha aye for sure :D

I tell myself every payday all the reasons I don't need a new toy, then 5-7 working days later a parcel appears! :D

 
Another interesting development: when testing firing my gun, i found that now with a madbull rubber, the "chambered" BB will roll out of the barrel if i draw back the bolt and point the gun up a little, whereas the standard GHK rubber didnt allow that for some reason. perhaps the original rubber wasnt seated correctly earlier? and was causing the hop issues of mine?

Im not going to swap the rubbers and nubs back if this new setup works... just gotta find a range i can shoot at and can be bothered to drive to... my local shop isnt really local :P

 
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