Some firehawk guidance please

[Sitting Duck]

Ouch - I was trying to be honest

They are nice - but they have their limits

(Ignore Trigger he will say G&G CM is its main fault)

Seriously, nice but maybe consider another slightly longer barrel project say 225mm upwards I would suggest

 

[Jay85]

The main reason I've chosen the firehawk is that the Mrs will not let me spend £300+ on an aeg, however £130 on an aeg and lots of parts on the other hand seem ok ? Surly with the right build inside, the firehawk can be made to perform as well as the krytac? Or am I missing something?

 

[Sitting Duck]

In a similar position, if I buy another gun my balls are gone

A shipload of receivers, gearboxes, barrels is not quite as bad.

Yes it can perform very well it us true

Only real lucky guru's get the very very best out of guns I think

BUT the sad fact is it is not quite that easy I have come to realise. A few times everything works well or better than before I still put down to a sprinkling of luck

Coz sometimes I have done similar stuff and got crap results - poor feed, crap range accuracy than expected

I still have so much to learn. That thing I learnt very very early on

£130 Firehawk where I thought they were £140

£140 FireHawk or £155 other models

I'd consider going for a slightly longer model

 

[Jay85]

I totally get that, but it wouldn't be my primary all the time I'm messing with it! Once I get the parts, I've got time to mess around with it! I'm quite certain I'm sticking with G&G, if I were to go for a longer model, what would you suggest?

 

[Sitting Duck]

For G&G owners if you want to beef up your CM....

SHS Red nozzle, these can be a bit long for some v2 boxes

But it depends on how thick the front of your gearbox is.

Some cheaper boxes may only be 2.65mm at very front

Others I have just recently found are 3.15 thick

So certain nozzles may not feed or seal well

A long AK nozzle can be about 20.75mm

Still a tad too short me thinks

SHS Red are nearly 21.5mm so might need filing for some builds to get the perfect balance of higher speed feed and sealing

Again still so much to learn but try to match existing crap nozzle to new nozzle this is an absolute must !!!

Piston head is crap, dunno but never really got perfect compression with G&G heads so a cheap plastic POM piston head is wise.

Cylinder head change if need to if PTFE don't work well

Correct AoE with neoprene or neo/sorbo mix

STD FireHawk gears seem to be 22:1 due to 8 tooth bevel

Other CM's are 18:1

So if you find STD FH gears suck change maybe to a 16:1 set whilst you are about it

MOSFET is wise along with deans, Firestorm is a good cheap one to go with

But tbh change the vs0 stock for a stubby is what I have done on many of mine

Motor if fetted - SHS torque or Big Dragon m160 will give insane results on 7.4v

That will get you into 20rps+ easily but keep it to Max of 25

If going nutz also change out bronzey 8mm bushings for steel ones coz they do wear out quick if you wanna push it

There other options but that is the sort of stuff I do

Barrel n hop, clean it polish with silicone but we'll away from hop unit

A slightly longer barrel will help bb stabilise a little and boost fps a tiny smidge

Often very short barrels produce slightly lower fps than the 250 or 350 barrels

Hence trying to get the 110-120 barrel shooting way down the field is pushing it a little

Yes it can be done or improved upon but usually the more accurate guns start with say a 250 to 350 barrel

Often adding a poor longer barrel will not be as good as sweet medium barrel

Hop unit is OK, bucking is quite good but might if you really want to stay at FH size squeeze a smidge longer barrel say 140 in there and try out new steel hop and experiment with bucking/nubs a bit

But still don't think it will totally dominate the field as it was not really designed for longer range engagements

Bit like going on motorway with a beefed up moped

Sure you can do it but think you would want something designed for the longer high speed touring

Round town, yeah nutter dominoes pizza badboy but M1 ergh no it ain't really gonna work that great

Hopefully you will understand what all the above bollox means - I started waffling and just got lost typing all that $hit

Best of luck

 

[Sitting Duck]

I totally get that, but it wouldn't be my primary all the time I'm messing with it! Once I get the parts, I've got time to mess around with it! I'm quite certain I'm sticking with G&G, if I were to go for a longer model, what would you suggest?

Already said, CM 18 or SR range or FFR as they got fet's in the last 2

These are rear wired

The GC16 30th is nice but front wired

CM18 looks a little like a longer Firehawk but without the noisy duck amplifier

Same flip sights but in 2-tone, 275 barrel I think

Crap mid cap mag, flash hider nah that g36 style for suppressor screw on just don't work for me though

But sexy looking 2-tone all the same

The later SR n FFR have new receivers without the vivid white CM lettering n have 3 rnd burst fet in there

Not got one very tempted though

Many have and are very pleased with em

Bot300 has a normal MOSFET and still CM receiver

But it is up to you but that is my take on G&G's up to say £160-£180

After you get into £200+ I think other guns need to be considered as well

 

[Jay85]

Dude, that is awesome!! Most if not all of what I needed to know! I'm not beyond putting a longer barrel in with a silencer to protect it! But that deffo gives me a starting point!

 

[GiantKiwi]

FYI physics dictate with no hop applied a maximum theoretical range of 50m at 350fps taken from an average shouldered height, and that is relying on perfect world situations ie no wind, 0% humidity, low temperature, low air pressure etc.

90-100m would not be possible on a site legal gun in the UK, as you would be needing 4.5J of energy, which roughly translates to 700fps on a 0.2g bb.

 

[Sitting Duck]

Dude, that is awesome!! Most if not all of what I needed to know! I'm not beyond putting a longer barrel in with a silencer to protect it! But that deffo gives me a starting point!

If you put in a much longer barrel & silencer/suppressor then you ruin the look & concept of the FireHawk....

About a 140mm of some mp5k's "should" be do able as is

But people have taken a FireHawk put a longer barrel on and it just looks wrong....

Raider Short is about 233 already known common as muck CM receiver but well proven no mosfet of course

FFR A2 is about 260mm - this was one I had my eye on @ £155 but was out of stock on black friday 15% discount

(same size barrel as SR-L but £30 cheaper - maybe outer barrel is polymer vs metal on SR range)

SR-S is about 205mm

300BOT is 205mm but just basic mosfet CM receiver

CM18 is 275mm no mosfet CM receiver but sexy black/tan or tan/black

Going too nutz and spending money on exterior could be spent on hop/bucking which is where you get the range/accuracy from.

Try not to reinvent the wheel, consider all options and get the correct base gun for your requirements.

What with G&G doing an extensive range it can be a bit tough choosing just one though but inside they are nigh all the same just different cosmetic externals

my pick would be the FFR A2 ATU 3rnd burst mosfet atm as value for money - 260mm barrel without vivid CM receiver

but as said I haven't got one - but wish I had got one for about £135 with discount on BF

LWA might have some in stock but I'm trying to ease up buying more stuff I never get round to using