So we can't buy RIFS without jumping through hoops and yet...

jcheeseright said:
£30 for a rental gun?! They'd best be good guns then, that's outrageous!
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They are full metal AKs held together with black gaffer tape. The two I had (the first wouldn't feed at all) were both wobbly and the batteries were held in with gaffer tape. So no they weren't good, they were really heavy and rubbish. In that price you also get a face mask (was pretty bad also, very darkening mesh on the eyes and restrictive breathing) and 3000 0.20 g blaster BBs. You don't even get overalls/camo like some other sites I have seen do.

Like I said in my review I think its a ploy to try and get people to buy the gun with their pre hire scheme to work around UKARA and drive more gun sales. I took exception to the tactic (even if they did sell a gun I would buy) and decided I would buy elsewhere.

 
£30 just of rental is ridiculous. How much is the actual game fee?

 
Bunker 51 is £24.99 if its prebooked, £30 if you book within 48 hours of the game. But you also need to bare in mind its only a 3 hour evening game as well, not a full day event. Compared to a lot of other sites its pretty darn pricey. But in London we have a short list of suitable sites within 2 hours, you have Bunker 51, UCAP sandpit but no two tones and TWA woodland (kind of hard to get to with public transport). Epsom is just within the M25 and there is another CQB site in the far NW at watford junction as well. Bunker 51 has a monopoly on airsoft in London basically and its full every time it runs. Have to travel quite far to go somewhere else. TWA Urban shutting down is a real pain.

Wolfarmouries are also the only site I know of in London that don't charge you for stamping your UKARA form. So on the one hand its expensive but its also saving you £30 for the sites that charge you a "membership" fee. My experience so far in London is that UKARA is mostly used to fleece people out of cash and manipulate the market. It likely doesn't work in other areas as they have suitable competition but for sites near enough to me its all about choosing which poison you want to be taking.

 
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Seems a bit steep, the guns could be made out of adamantium but if people use the barrels as entrenching tools, the hop up is knackered and the magazines don't feed properly it ends up making very little difference. Hopefully you get at least 3000 BBs for that price.

 
I'd like to point out... You don't need ukara to buy a gun... You need it to buy an all black gun. It's a bit silly... But it's no drama. You can temporarily undo the bright colours for the duration of a game with little effort and cost. It also doesn't monitor second hand guns... So you can always pick up a black one without ukara and you won't be committing an offence.

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^ To be fair NH, you don't need UKARA "to buy an all black gun" either. Nor should you need to "temporarily undo the bright colours" for any reason either; if you want turn an IF into a RIF to play airsoft with it you are perfectly entitled to do so and to leave it that way.

I think the bigger problem that Bright is alluding to is that for many UKARA is seen as the only way to buy a RIF, and even though it's not it certainly is the easisiet way under current conditions, hence why the UKARA system (and those who organise it) are managing to create a stranglehold on who can and can't buy new RIFs.

This was why some ideas for other systems have recently been floated, but they've ended up either just mimicking UKARA or seeming to disappear before the got started.

 
Aye... I just think it's a bit of a non issue. Anyone can buy any gun. And if you are willing and able to spend money on a good gun, you'll be willing to wait a couple of months to save you the hassle of repainting it well.

If it's a cheap thing, then it's not even hassle to paint it... Any home job will match the workmanship of a spray can.

I mean... I had my first skirmish then went out and got a rif the next weekend... It's no drama. It's silly, but also entirely avoidable. But that's just my limited opinion :-)

 
Yeah 20 quid rental here, or maybe 25 not too sure, but u get a a bag of bbs, guns are gng cm16 or g36, pearsonally I think ukara is fine because it makes it

 
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