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Should We Hate Call of Duty ?

i think the issue is people think what happens in games happens in real life ... they have to learn, is it there fault that what they have seen/done in the past is incorrect? nope, its like hating learner drivers because they don't know how to drive, they have to learn somehow.

the problem is the games have to be easy, to be fun, and to keep people playing them.

 
I don't think upgrades are a gaming thing at all. People buy a gun, see that it's 300fps, see other guns (or their site limit) at 350fps and immediately assume it needs work to be firing at the "right" fps. Basic lack of understanding.

Plus a lot of n00bs call a torch or an AFG or an eotech an "upgrade".

 
Nothing wrong with upgrading your toys, it does remind me of that show Home Improvement though. I think it's a bit of a guy thing, although there's probably some ladies out there partial to messing about with anything that has potential to be upgraded/improved :)

 
upgrading things is a pretty common notion. any genre of machine that's vaguely modular will have options. airsoft websites is probably where most will look first, and they're packed full of parts.

definitely is some transference from computer games, but not a notion exclusive to them by any means.

i've not heard anyone mention themselves leveling up in airsoft, or calling ukara an unlock, but have heard people mention practicing particular elements (like 'room-clearing' skills) as if it was a virtual category with an XP value or similar, like an i-spy book of airsoft that could have skills ticked-off in
[SIZE=11pt]Yeah but the man asked about new players yet to even skirmish seemingly focusing on it as they do? Is it because they like to upgrade machines they've yet to even hold, or because they’ve been informed/influence/conditioned by CoD and the like on the matter? My money is on the latter 95% of the time. [/SIZE]

 
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If you ask any airsofter about their gun they'll prob say 'yeah its a xxx but i've upgraded this and that and this and that"

i agree the kudos is there in computer games, but it's very much perpetuated by existing players (most of who don't seem to play CoD or similar) and the shops they use. a total newb wouldn't even know it's possible to upgrade an airsoft gun unless they'd seen parts available or heard/read accounts of them being upgraded. they might consider adding an accessory an upgrade and call it such i guess.

It's a speculative question without a clear answer, i just think that upgrades etc isn't unique enough to CoD and other games to be the root cause. Existing players and shops are the ones filling the internet and skirmish sites so that's got to be where they get the possibility/idea from.

When you first buy anything in a new genre you'll always look to see what the most expensive/bad-ass thing available in it is. For airsoft that'll be either a systema or some other bespoke real-steal bodied gun upgraded full of expensive CNC bits by an individual, or a shop selling it as their special item. I haven't tried but I imagine a quick google of 'best airsoft gun ever' will direct you to similar, or JustBBGuns if you spell it incorrectly :)

I didn't consider upgrading guns until i'd spent a couple months shooting my mates with some b500a1 in his garden/woods, then looked into doing it at clubs/skirmishes etc. Due to the number of different mostly Chinese manufacturers, I'd just assumed they were pretty bespoke and you just bought a better gun. Then got to first skirmish and started asking about them and discovered most peoples guns were far from stock.

 
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I can see where Arma can be very helpful to milsim airsofters or those looking to get into milsim. Games like that are definitely a benefit.

 
I am the only freak here then.

My LR-300 is totally stock apart from a foregrip which I put on because I was holding the mag & my left hand natrually just seem to sit there when I was firing.

I know nothing about guns, upgrades etc so I dont mess with things I dont fully understand.

 
No youre not. I know little about Airsoft weapons. My armoury is stock. I tend to buy reasonable makes with tighter barrel etc and add optics, foregrips, slings etc as I would real steel, but otherwise dont tinker.

Theres nothing wrong with wishing to upgrade your toys and squeeze the maximum potential out of it - its just a personal choice. Some do get a little obsessed though.

 
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I think I probably hate the people who hate people that play call of duty more than the people that hate call of duty players hate call of duty players, if you get me.

 
No youre not. I know little about Airsoft weapons. My armoury is stock. I tend to buy reasonable makes with tighter barrel etc and add optics, foregrips, slings etc as I would real steel, but otherwise dont tinker.

Theres nothing wrong with wishing to upgrade your toys and squeeze the maximum potential out of it - its just a personal choice. Some do get a little obsessed though.
Cool I hate being lonely :mellow:

I'm the same, buy something thats well built to start with & let it do its job.

The hobby is a large avenue with lots of differant aspects, I noticed that on my first skirmish. Some are really into kit & loadouts, some are really into their rif's and love to tinker with them (that includes snipers, M4 modding & also the Gucci pistol collectors). Then there are the reinacters who go for various era's. It's a big world with plenty of space for everyone.

I just go for the fun of playing & banter.

I will never be a warrior leet operator as my mrs wants me home before tea time :unsure:

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I personally think they are a good thing, as you get many younger people running in with orange sniper rifles, expecting to quickscope, and for some reason win against m4 and m16 full auto. Its funny to watch, and its a good feeling to get them with my rifle, hidden in the bushes atop a hill covered in ghillie

 
I think I probably hate the people who hate people that play call of duty more than the people that hate call of duty players hate call of duty players, if you get me.
I had to draw a diagram to get you... But yeah, I hate that

 
I downloaded Arma 3 the other day... it was 35% for the extended edition on Steam so I couldn't help myself.

@Lozart, the PC runs it fine. Haven't fiddled with any of the settings yet but the GPU seems to be handling it well and it's pushing a 4K monitor.

Still in training, getting use to the controls but liking it so far. Again, it seems like a really good platform for milsimers to practice/train.

@BrightCandle, think you are on to something with using it to prep for milsims.

 
@BrightCandle, think you are on to something with using it to prep for milsims.
So far haven't had too much takeup for the okto game, don't think a lot of the team has a suitable PCs. But I have an Arma friend from Germany and another from Denmark attending the okto game so the three of us have played a lot together. Myself and the German played last game together and our movement and fire as a pair was really very good, just procedurally we read each others mind just like we do in game or we execute procedures on command exactly as taught and it just cuts the time of response down dramatically. I know the virtual definitely translates into the physical airsoft game we saw the impact. Having played that one game our team wants us in charge for the next game and our experience comes from playing Arma for 4 years (and my friends for more like 6).

Its actually a shame there aren't that many milsim groups out there. You can find lots of "milsim" Arma groups but they mainly model the structure and the gear and ranks but not the tactics. My group does the opposite, we don't follow any one unit, we loosely base our gear on appropriate weapons (m4s, scar H etc) but instead focus out effort on training and practising the tactics, everyone has to go through and master our infantry courses. We were very lucky to have spent multiple years getting training from an Israeli special forces trainer and so now we have a really good base of the primary real world squad level stuff. I love doing that sort of thing, its also what I find fun in airsoft. I find myself trying to cram in as many battlesim/filmsim style milsim airsoft games this summer as possible and my primary source of finding them is this forum. But I have to attribute my desire to play that and my experience that helps me in it to what I do in Arma every week.

 
Sounds good! And a testament that video games can be a benefit to airsoft in more than one way.

 
So far haven't had too much takeup for the okto game, don't think a lot of the team has a suitable PCs. But I have an Arma friend from Germany and another from Denmark attending the okto game so the three of us have played a lot together. Myself and the German played last game together and our movement and fire as a pair was really very good, just procedurally we read each others mind just like we do in game or we execute procedures on command exactly as taught and it just cuts the time of response down dramatically. I know the virtual definitely translates into the physical airsoft game we saw the impact. Having played that one game our team wants us in charge for the next game and our experience comes from playing Arma for 4 years (and my friends for more like 6).

Its actually a shame there aren't that many milsim groups out there. You can find lots of "milsim" Arma groups but they mainly model the structure and the gear and ranks but not the tactics. My group does the opposite, we don't follow any one unit, we loosely base our gear on appropriate weapons (m4s, scar H etc) but instead focus out effort on training and practising the tactics, everyone has to go through and master our infantry courses. We were very lucky to have spent multiple years getting training from an Israeli special forces trainer and so now we have a really good base of the primary real world squad level stuff. I love doing that sort of thing, its also what I find fun in airsoft. I find myself trying to cram in as many battlesim/filmsim style milsim airsoft games this summer as possible and my primary source of finding them is this forum. But I have to attribute my desire to play that and my experience that helps me in it to what I do in Arma every week.
Think maybe someone is taking the game with TOY guns a bit serious. ?Bit too heavy for me just want to run around like an idiot and have a laugh.

But each to their own.

Dont hate call of duty hate simulations that make people believe its just like the real thing while sitting in their chair dunking their digestives in their cup of tea.

 
This is pretty daft. It's a bit like saying all those idiots who have played tiger woods are coming to the golf course trying to smack their sand wedge 200yds with side spin and buying a £500 driver before their first game . . . . So yes this probably happens a lot.

If someone's only experience of something is virtual then that will obviously have an effect on their thinking until they have real experience

 
This is pretty daft. It's a bit like saying all those idiots who have played tiger woods are coming to the golf course trying to smack their sand wedge 200yds with side spin and buying a £500 driver before their first game . . . . So yes this probably happens a lot.

If someone's only experience of something is virtual then that will obviously have an effect on their thinking until they have real experience
Off-topic, but I wouldn't want to wager what motivates golfers, they're a curious bunch to me...
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