They are ALL toy guns - don't matter if its hpa mofo or a Singer whirry aeg or whatever.....
The (toy) gun is a small part of it, the player is one who administers the skill
I could not give a flying/swimming/walking f*ck what gun a player uses
it is how they participate and their own character that matters to me than a 2-tone, £125 to £750 gun they carry
yes a good gun helps, yes it is nice to have a gun that YOU like - after all it is YOUR money so wtf buy what YOU want
To the OP the ICS L85 is a good bit of kit so if you want one buy one and b*ll*cks to anybody else's opinion.
^ this is so damn true ^
What would be very wise is if you can hold one - they are different of course the bullpup and its design
I like it in my collection but can't see me using my cheapo R85 really as I personally prefer what I'm used to
Think nobody can give you a correct answer, you will keep wanting one as explained
Ed has an ICS that is a top notch lovely example I'm lead to believe
just I have seen a few people sell on the L85's after a short while is all I was trying to point out
this is more true for people getting it out of their system and needing to sell on if they were stupid/sad enough to collect toy guns
Deffo advise getting a decent model like ICS over cheapo R85 unless it is really stupidly cheap as chips offer