Policing and Crime Bill 2015-16 - This is now (mostly) the law as part of the Policing and Crime Act 2017

These were exactly my concerns too if you check the OP. How on Earth they expect to enforce such a change I don't know. Elecro-magnet above the barrel that clogs up when you put metal in it? Yeh, I don't think so, heh.

The whole 'readily convertible' thing is super dumb. It's been around for a while though and is why deactivated firearms need a proper certificate to prove that they're not readily convertible back (i.e. removing the firing pin is rarely enough to make something legally safe). These guns are deigned to fire a projectile, so the law seems pretty misinformed. If it means registration and testing like you say then I can't see that happening either - such a programme is far too expensive for the government to conduct for such a niche sport. Here's hoping they're just sensible about it.
I did read the OP, I was agreeing with you.

Thankfully there are representatives from UKARA, UKAPU and another retailer's association regularly meeting with representatives from gubernment to discuss these concerns. There's no point making bad law that's all but unenforceable.

 
only capable of firing plastic pellets - I can put a 6mm metal BB in my gun and if I pull the trigger it'll shoot it.
By that logic this new statute will have zero effect if it describes a class of gun which has not yet been invented (for use in airsoft). :)

They should reword it to add the word "designed" somewhere.

 
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I did read the OP, I was agreeing with you.

Thankfully there are representatives from UKARA, UKAPU and another retailer's association regularly meeting with representatives from gubernment to discuss these concerns. There's no point making bad law that's all but unenforceable.
I didn't say you hadn't - poorly worded, sorry.

Yeh, I saw the Facebook posts about UKARA and UKAPU - were they not basically told the 8mm thing wasn't happening though?

Also, unenforceable law is most certainly a thing in any modern country. It's as much about prosecutory powers as it anything else - being able to slap an extra charge on for someone having an easily convertible RIF is probably something that appeals to some people who've seen those get away with a smaller sentence than they should for brandishing that CO2 revolver with the regulator 'nut' removed, but it's worrying how those sorts of things affect actual players.

 
By that logic this new statute will have zero effect if it describes a class of gun which has not yet been invented (for use in airsoft). :)

They should reword it to add the word "designed" somewhere.
At which point you get to court and have to prove the gun was only designed to fire plastic pellets, who are you going to call as your witness to back this up, Mr Marui?

 
I'm still a little hung up on the fact the BBs have to be plastic, to me this screams that the new bill was written by someone who doesn't ask many questions before just throwing the law down.

What about bio BBs? Are they no longer allowed?

And what about heavier weights? I always assumed that to increase the weight of a 6mm ball without actually making it bigger, denser material was added to the mix - i.e. Not plastic. Not fully plastic anyway.

 
I'm still a little hung up on the fact the BBs have to be plastic, to me this screams that the new bill was written by someone who doesn't ask many questions before just throwing the law down.

What about bio BBs? Are they no longer allowed?

And what about heavier weights? I always assumed that to increase the weight of a 6mm ball without actually making it bigger, denser material was added to the mix - i.e. Not plastic. Not fully plastic anyway.
I think for the purposes of the law bio BBs will count as plastic.
I hope so, I was checking earlier and I can't find what's in them, even on the packaging.

But in the OP it states "must contain plastic",(3) “Small plastic missile” means a missile that—

(a) is made wholly or partly from plastics, and
Does seem against bio-bbs.

 
I guess we will have to wait for it to be passed and clarified as it is a bit "vague" in areas

And as all my guns are gas I will be installing low power bolts/valves etc

 
Call me thick but .... Where dose it say a full auto capable gun above 370 would become a section 5 fire arm??

Surely it would instead be classified as an air gun/air rifle? That being subject to the 12lb/ft rules etc

 
Call me thick but .... Where dose it say a full auto capable gun above 370 would become a section 5 fire arm??

Surely it would instead be classified as an air gun/air rifle? That being subject to the 12lb/ft rules etc
I think I get it now enough to say: Currently the fully auto airsoft guns are in a grey area, between firearm and airgun, by this legislation clearly stating when an airsoft gun is NOT an airsoft gun it must fall into another category, and for full auto guns there is only one other category. Because Airguns cannot be capable of full auto (I presume).

Problem is, by defining airsoft guns, where does that leave anything 'gun like' which is neither airsoft, airgun, firearm?

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/firearms/#a14

 
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Ahhhh I see I thought you could get full auto capable air pistols/rifles (I was thinking of the kwa 4.5mm Uzi, but it's semi only)

 
So basically this piece of legislation is finally putting to rest the age old issue of the lethality threshold for Firearms by setting it in law at 1 Joule.

Thankfully an exemption has been made for Airsoft, with limits to be set in law which correspond to what we have been using for some time.

It would appear that any 8mm Airsoft gun firing above 1J would be subject to the Firearms act, and as air weapons are only supposed to be powered by compressed air or carbon dioxide, does that then mean that I will need to either surrender my 8mm gas sniper rifle or apply for a slot for it on my section 1 Firearms license?

I'd love to see my Firearms enquiry officer try and find a unique serial number on it... :)

Do any full auto 8mm Airsoft guns exist? As it would appear that were this bill to be enacted they would become section 5 prohibited weapons...

Also, would the possession of a 6mm steel ball bearing be considered as possession of parts to convert an Airsoft gun to a firearm?

 
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https://www.facebook.com/UKAPU/posts/903486679764303 (15th March 2016)

On Friday UK Airsoft Players Union, UK Airsoft Retailers Association and Airsoft Trade Body were invited to the Home Office HQ in Westminster to discuss the Police and Crime Bill and the airsoft exception. UKARA also brought along Police Chief Adrian Whiting, whose extensive political and legal experience was very helpful indeed.

All 3 bodies are on the same page and we have very similar concerns with the current draft of the bill which is primarily that;

1. 8mm airsoft replicas will not be defined as airsoft.

2. Airsoft replicas are defined as a device which can ‘only’ fire plastic BBs.

3. Fully automatic airsoft replicas could be defined as ‘readily convertible’ as you can push most of them over 1.3J easily enough.

4. Anyone importing or in possession of fully automatic replica that is found to be over 1.3J will be deemed to be in possession of a section 5 firearm (5 year prison sentence for most of us). This is of course very relevant to owners and traders of HPA and GBB models, whose equipment would be tested on the strongest gas pressure available.

Although this Bill is designed to clear up firearms law (amongst other things) we are now fully involved with Westminster politics. As such, there are allot of factors in play, such as party politics and also the anti-airsoft lobby (who are in staunch opposition to the airsoft exception). People will be watching what we airsofters say in public over the coming months. So things are pretty complicated and little can be taken at face value.

We presented some proposals to Government representatives and (without pre-empting the minutes) very little was accepted or rejected outright. This meeting was really the starting point for the process. What seems clear is that they will hold us to the 1.3J/2.5J recommendations of the ACPO testing. We will have more meetings with them over the next year, and if we present an amendment that the Home Office finds favourable they could present it to Parliament. However, there’s still a fair chance that this won’t happen, but we live in a democracy and the airsoft community may need to write to their MPs and the House of Lords in order to get our amendments sponsored and voted in.

If you’ve looked at the PCB you’ll notice that airsoft and lethality make up a very small part of it which is why we won’t be permitted the opportunity to submit evidence to the parliamentary committee.

So what’s the next phase? We need to all agree on the amendments that we are going to push for. We need to collect some more evidence. And we need to bolster the support of the airsoft associations. The only viable option is for us all to work together and be one strong voice asking for the same thing through elected representatives and a well-coordinated lobbying campaign. Anything less will be fruitless. If we fail to clear this Bill up, airsoft players and traders could end up in prison in the future for holding normal airsoft equipment.

The Bill is in the committee stage of the House of Commons and the Home Office project it will be enacted in law before the end of the year.

Players should like UKAPUs Facebook page and then we can keep you in the loop.

If you are in the airsoft industry you should keep in touch with ATB and UKARA

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1554858821494063/?ref=br_rs
http://www.ukara.org.uk/

Matt Furey-King,
Chair UKAPU
There is an ongoing discussion from the UKAPU guys, that any DMR in a AEG body (read Automatic), may be treated legally as the gun it was designed and manufactured as for the purposes of legal testing. Thus if a gun is predominantly made of parts for an automatic replica it cannot be legally considered as semi-auto.

Seems, this legislation in its current state might as well be "ban airsoft". Due to the highlighted text above.

 
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https://www.facebook.com/UKAPU/posts/994454737334163

/sad

UK Airsoft Players Union- UKAPU They hope to sell airsoft guns as air rifles, which takes sales from airsoft retailers and gives them to RFDs. Unfortunately it makes a mess of our hobby in the process. Matt
From Matt's comments on that thread, though I don't claim to have researched or understand, it seems that if the ammendment went through removing the airsoft exception it would put all the airsoft retailers out of business and make airsoft sales run through licensed firearms dealers - allowing them to profit instead.

 
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https://www.facebook.com/UKAPU/posts/994454737334163

/sad

From Matt's comments on that thread, though I don't claim to have researched or understand, it seems that if the ammendment went through removing the airsoft exception it would put all the airsoft retailers out of business and make airsoft sales run through licensed firearms dealers - allowing them to profit instead.
Looking through stuff - Lords especially (being un-elected as they are) - shouldn't be allowed to just issue requirements on bills with no notes or explanation. Some explanation should be a requirement, so when it is debated, we can see the thinking behind it. I've said it before, I'll say it again - Parliament just doesn't work.

 
Anyone with that many names should have any sort of say in anything important

 
Well that is just wonderful. Looks like pretty soon everyone is going to be playing CQB only and all those woodland sites and just poof with such limitations. What a disaster, I finally found a sport I absolutely love and just a few years in the idiots that run the country turn their eye of Sauron onto it. The police already said Airsoft isn't hurting people, there is no value in harming it and yet here we are crippling it for no good reason.

I think its time to skip to the continent and just be done with this shit country and its lack of basic logical decision making.

 
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