Osprey MK4 - Legal?
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Lol, I started to read it, my eyes started drooping after 20 seconds, reckon I'll save it for when I can't sleep at night ?
Although the cynical side of me agrees its likely to be a top secret "gotcha" list, one that can be amended at the drop of a hat, probably when they can't get any other charges to stick ?
Terrorists & criminals don’t really need a list to know what they may be interested in.
A list isn’t going to be published. If you google JSP & ACTO then you will get a reference to ACTO and accounting.
Just consider that an item that’s ‘attractive’ isn’t necessarily a super special ninja piece of kit, but perhaps just something worth stealing if it’s not too tied down
If you can’t get theft / receiving stolen goods to stick then possession of a particular item just because it’s on a list isn’t going to be much use.
Appears I've triggered some interest with this whole ACTO thing.
To my knowledge there isn't a defined list available to the public, and the contents listed within it (if it exists internally) contain all manner of items; NVG's, specific weapon ancillaries, comms equipment etc are all likely to be covered under ACTO.
All ACTO equipment will be serialised and therefore auditable, in theory at least that makes it traceable to a Unit/Location.
To my knowledge there isn't a defined list available to the public, and the contents listed within it (if it exists internally) contain all manner of items; NVG's, specific weapon ancillaries, comms equipment etc are all likely to be covered under ACTO.
All ACTO equipment will be serialised and therefore auditable, in theory at least that makes it traceable to a Unit/Location.
I beg to differ. If there is a list of interesting stuff, someone might see something of note that is perhaps a bit unsecured and make off with it. Something that perhaps they wouldn't have thought of stealing before.
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Hence why I said "the cynical side of me" & used the ? emoji, of course the word of law as to be applied, BUT having grown up (what do you mean I haven't ?) in the "good old days", a time when anything can be made to stick, if your using the right "glue" lol, I don't doubt that the alleged "acto list' has some wriggle room for interpretation, especially when it comes to matters pertaining to national security & those who may wish to attack it.
obviously when I mentioned the "good old days", doesn't mean I supported some of the wholesale stitch-up jobs that occurred back then (think 60's/70's/80's), but in some rare cases I'm sure the end justified the means ?
Shit, reading this back, don't I use a lot of "speech marks" lol
ACTO really is a lot less special then people may think.
If you google it as I mentioned earlier you will find the publicly available versions of documents relating to stores accounting.
All forms of stores held by the MoD are subject to accounting processes and levels of security / locking up, getting tracked and signed for.
ACTO is just another classification, a ‘list’ could be as simple as a local list of items that somebody might be more interesting in stealing — and extra accounting processes and controls
If you want a list of shiney things in the MoD then that’s the NSN database which is all over the internet
If you google it as I mentioned earlier you will find the publicly available versions of documents relating to stores accounting.
All forms of stores held by the MoD are subject to accounting processes and levels of security / locking up, getting tracked and signed for.
ACTO is just another classification, a ‘list’ could be as simple as a local list of items that somebody might be more interesting in stealing — and extra accounting processes and controls
If you want a list of shiney things in the MoD then that’s the NSN database which is all over the internet
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I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want.....
"An ACOG 4x32"... fat chance of getting a real one eh?
I googled it and found this as the first hit.. lol
"ACTO - Association for Counselling & Therapy Online. ACTO promotes, maintains, improves and advances online counselling and psychotherapy as a recognised method of therapeutic delivery within the mental health professions. ACTO is the association for therapists and counselling working online therapeutically."
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That's my interpretation from what I'm seeing. It appears to be a not-for-sale label, and little else. It means that you can't obtain them honestly, but that's neither here nor there to the theft - it's just as thefty to steal things that could have been sold on.
To be crystal clear, I fully agree with banging folk up for stealing MOD gear, see previous posts. Or for stealing anything else, from anyone. String 'em up, it's the only language they understand.
But the prosecution barking "It was on a list! An official list!" is neither here nor there, especially if it's not a list (or a classification) which the thief or their customers would know or care about. It's just theatrical table thumping to get a conviction or a tougher sentence.
And it leads to self-feeding tales about the official ACTO list which (I believe) has no particular significance in law, and doubly so for the purposes of this thread's question about what it's OK to purchase. You can't very well come to a conclusion about the status of an object that you're intending to buy if it's being sold openly but is on a secret not-for-sale list.
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So where does this leave Grade 1/issued kit? Going back to the original discussion by the OP, is it legal to buy an Osprey Mk4? There are numerous Airsoft retailers selling Grade 1/Issued Osprey's on the internet.... so I assume list or no list the MOD know about them and is fine?
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I've seen no evidence here that it's an offence in the UK, beyond acronym salad.
Seriously, if anyone can point at a UK statute, please do sing out.
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It’s legal
If it’s army surplus that’s been disposed of by the MoD then it’s legit
If it’s been pilfered from the QMs then it’s stolen goods
If you buy it from an army surplus shop then you can be fairly sure it’s not stolen
If the guy in the pub can offer you a better price on the other 50 from the back of his land rover then you could be about to receive stolen goods
The latest inserts to go into the osprey might have restrictions on their sale and be more unusual to find in an army surplus shop
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I remember on a tour when a unit member mid places a side arm (G17) and obviously faced severe consequences - a similar issue when faulty and UFS HMNVS was again mis placed and the soldier responsible was of a certain rank and there was no repercussions.
Ultimately when a solider is de-kitted it’s up to the RQM or their staff to properly de kit a soldier - things like virtus body armour are taken into consideration along with respirators and other expensive serialised equipment.
If it was a true offence and equally a risk to military security, then surely a crack down or monitory service would be in place enforcing particular rules and regulations.
Ultimately when a solider is de-kitted it’s up to the RQM or their staff to properly de kit a soldier - things like virtus body armour are taken into consideration along with respirators and other expensive serialised equipment.
If it was a true offence and equally a risk to military security, then surely a crack down or monitory service would be in place enforcing particular rules and regulations.
