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So I'm looking to get my first pistol. Not too sure on what to get. I want it to feel real, so no plastics please. Any suggestions?
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I want a KWA (Umarex) H&K USP.45 Match, but I've got a few ongoing projects to complete before I can spare the money. There is one caveat though: the blasted "Match" logo on the compensator - my hole it's hideous; it looks like the sort of font you'd find on a JML arse hair plucker or something! Anyway, a bit of shop later and we can all enjoy what my future darling may look like instead:
Although, thinking about it, I'll probably go with something like:
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What about electric pistols, are they any good?
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^^For CQB and close up backup, yeah, but unmodified they only do about 220FPS - still, no worries about performance in cold weather. The CYMA Glock 18C has a good rep, as far as I can tell. But then again, all Glocks are Lego so I couldn't actually recommend one :lol:
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They have their uses but really you want to be getting a gas pistol. AEP users tend to stick to the argument that you have to buy gas for gas pistols which is a waste and that they're cheaper but when you have and use a gbb one regularly, you'll really appreciate it. They're cheaper for a reason- they have slow trigger response and weak performance when compared to the majority of decent gbbs. If you're on a very low budget then go for one by all means but even in that case, you're better off waiting and saving up for something gas powered.
For you first pistol and you want it to feel real look at the WE line up- just ignore their 1911s, hicapas and m9s though. KWA/KSC are also a good option for the most part but cost more with no huge benefit.
Actually seeing as you want it to be realistic, walk straight past AEPs, don't even consider one
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I play indoor CQB so power isn't really an issue. But Obviously more is better
I know I said no plastics but what's your option on TM desert eagles?
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They're not bad, they shoot well and feel pretty solid but they're very big, bulky and heavy- if you want a side-arm the desert eagle isn't very practicalI play indoor CQB so power isn't really an issue. But Obviously more is better
I know I said no plastics but what's your option on TM desert eagles?
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It's supposed to be a good gun, but I dunno - 260FPS OOTB...
Still, somebody shot me with one that was putting out approx 345 and hit my left thumb base knuckle from about 2m - literally paralysed my thumb for a couple of days! Fuck knows what he had done to it though - probably CO2, but maybe 9 Ball barrel...
What I'd be concerned about is how big it is. I mean, I like big pistols, because my hands are big, but I'd be concerned that something as big as a Deagle may take fractions of a second longer to draw, then to aim, and also deflect more from the slightest tremble.
Still, somebody shot me with one that was putting out approx 345 and hit my left thumb base knuckle from about 2m - literally paralysed my thumb for a couple of days! Fuck knows what he had done to it though - probably CO2, but maybe 9 Ball barrel...
What I'd be concerned about is how big it is. I mean, I like big pistols, because my hands are big, but I'd be concerned that something as big as a Deagle may take fractions of a second longer to draw, then to aim, and also deflect more from the slightest tremble.
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The desert eagles tend to come in quite hot for TMs, normally nearer 300 ootb- most reatailers just stick to 260-280 for all TM guns descriptions.
The guy you mentioned with one at 345 may well have used some high flow valves and/or a tightbore, that would probably bring it up to about that level, a TM wouldn't take co2 so that's probably not the case
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What's the difference with the gases? Does one give out more power than the others?The desert eagles tend to come in quite hot for TMs, normally nearer 300 ootb- most reatailers just stick to 260-280 for all TM guns descriptions.
The guy you mentioned with one at 345 may well have used some high flow valves and/or a tightbore, that would probably bring it up to about that level, a TM wouldn't take co2 so that's probably not the case
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Yeah, CO2 is pretty much the strongest usable one in the UK but there are a fair few sites that don't allow it.
You ought to be looking at using abbey ultra, predator, green gas or propane. Preferably propane- it's green gas but without the lubricants stuffed inside it- it's also the cheapest by quite a margin. Green gas/Propane will give the best power output for UK temperatures as the others are a bit weaker.
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Not really, it's one of the most common gases in use in airsoft- obviously dont stick a match next to it but it's safe for our use.
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Some sites will not allow pure propane, like for camping stoves or lamps, and the reason given is safety. It is bollocks though, because, as M_P said, Green Gas is propane with added silicone lubricant. The real issue is insurance. If something says it's for airsoft use on the can and if some one in a million thing happens like a meteorite hits a mag in someone's pocket and it sets fire to their clothes etc., then it's all cool as far as liability goes - it's tough titty; but if it's propane that isn't intended for airsoft use and the site knowingly allowed it, maybe they've violated their duty of care, or some arseholery of that sort...
Thing is mind, that lubricant is in there for a reason, so it's probably best to run Green Gas through the mags periodically, even if you are using propane usually.
I should just add that my pistol is a non-blowback (NBB) USP and runs on CO2 bulbs - it's a fucking beast - around 370FPS 1st shot dropping to 350-ish by the 6th in any quick burst of trigger spamming!
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What'd you think of this:
http://www.wolfarmouries.co.uk/airsoft/bb/product.asp?page=product&id=GGB0358TMAW
Being a resident evil fan I think it looks pretty cool! Plus it's looks quiet high FPS.
http://www.wolfarmouries.co.uk/airsoft/bb/product.asp?page=product&id=GGB0358TMAW
Being a resident evil fan I think it looks pretty cool! Plus it's looks quiet high FPS.
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Aep's on lipos have good trigger response, hence why im converting mine reason i got an aep is because its cheaper to run and is a backup so why spend 100 for a gbb with one mag when i can get an aep with 3 mags and lipo it for the same cost.
They only shoot around 200 standard but you shouldnt be sniping with a pistol to require a good speed to target.
Its swings and roundabouts though, there are pros and cons for both aep and gbb.
reason i got an aep is because its cheaper to run and is a backup so why spend 100 for a gbb with one mag when i can get an aep with 3 mags and lipo it for the same cost.They only shoot around 200 standard but you shouldnt be sniping with a pistol to require a good speed to target.
Its swings and roundabouts though, there are pros and cons for both aep and gbb.
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