M4 or something else?

[Druid799]

Sean your starting to look like a half term special mate , your jumping around posting up random shit you’ve grabbed from the net (the gas mag for instance, it clearly says it only works with two brands of gun) and making it look like your just a kid on school holidays , people are going to start taking the piss soon bud . Take a breath do some research on what you can ;

A ; afford to spend on your start up kit (be realistic not hopeful)

B ; what you can actually find in stock of what you want . Google is your friend .

C ; what you want .

THEN come back and I’m sure everyone on here will help you as much as they can .

As I’m sure you can appreciate as this is basically the last good working forum on the net the ‘what am bestest gunz’ type posts are two a penny and soon get ripped a new one . ?

 

[Rogerborg]

just buy a bog standard M4 and a box of ’real cap’ magazines that only hold 30bbs

Buy mid caps and only put 30bbs in them.  Until you start asking yourself why you're doing that, and can't come up with a good answer.

Sean, bear in mind that you're currently in the honeymoon period and airsoft is the bestest hobby ever and you're going to be playing it for years and years and years and...

Then look in the classifieds at the number of "as new / barely used / used once" guns in there.

Loads of people drop house-deposit money into this hobby only for the adrenaline rush to wear off and the reality to set in that it's hide and seek with toys in what's generally a fairly limited set of locations and game modes.  GBBR (or HPA) is something that you move up to when you're sure that you're going to stick with it.

Consider that the mags alone on a GBBR will run you more (and weigh as much) as a basic G&G /JG /  Specna AEG.

Anecdote: in a milsim last year, I got attached as a sniper to a squad of chums who all had GBBRs.  We got into a ball-fight holding an objective.  After a couple of minutes, of shouts of "Mag out!" and "Spare mag? Spare mag, mate?" I realised that I was the only one still shooting. I ended up tossing my M5PK AEG to the nearest teammate just to get more rounds going out.

Great fun, until the fun stops, then you're just a target.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Anecdote: in a milsim last year, I got attached as a sniper to a squad of chums who all had GBBRs.  We got into a ball-fight holding an objective.  After a couple of minutes, of shouts of "Mag out!" and "Spare mag? Spare mag, mate?" I realised that I was the only one still shooting. I ended up tossing my M5PK AEG to the nearest teammate just to get more rounds going out.

i've had similar stories even running mid-caps, all it takes is for the game to get bogged down somewhere where you're basically playing whack-a-mole with the other side and suddenly more ammo feels like a very good option to have.

not to mention that airsoft guns aren't exactly accurate, and at extended ranges you're going to need 10bb's to make a hit a real gun could still do in 1 well aimed shot, and that's assuming your target isn't doing the bullet-time dance.

op- start off with a basic aeg, then grab yourself a gbb pistol and get familiar with running the gas systems, if that aint enough for you then you can start looking at all the fancy stuff knowing that if/when conditions don't suit it then you can whip out the aeg and still have fun.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Here is a novel approach for everyone.

Instead of telling him what he should or shouldn't spend his money how about we listen to him and advise him on the route he chooses to take. Lots of players have started with gas and low caps and been fine. 

If someone asks about a product we tell them if tit is a shit gun if we no for definite it is and not just because internet said so then advise a better alternative. But as regards how they choose to approach the game for better or worse that is on them. But we are all different so just because we perceive it as wrong way for us for them...... only they will know.

I have used low caps most of my time in the hobby and I wonder if anybody on here who has played against/with me can point out a time they have ever seen me outgunned because of it?

 

[Asomodai]

Instead of telling him what he should or shouldn't spend his money how about we listen to him and advise him on the route he chooses to take. Lots of players have started with gas and low caps and been fine. 

You and the few others who decided on going the GBBr route and has worked for them are the exception and not the rule. 

It's going to be his first rifle in a sport where the majority of players use AEG's with High/Mid caps and for good reason. 40 bbs per mag vs 400 bbs per mag makes a huge difference. 

Ultimately if the OP wants an GBBR, we cannot stop him despite the large swathe of opinions saying that it is difficult to compete with an AEG even if he was an experienced Airsofter. 

We can only but advise. I have gone against the advice of many people in my pursuit of Airsoft. But in MY experience the worst mistake I have made was getting a Gas Rifle, in terms of time and money sinked into it, with no end product. The OP may have a different experience, but I think it would be prudent to get an AEG first to get the best likelihood of sticking with the sport. 

 

[Druid799]

Here is a novel approach for everyone.

Instead of telling him what he should or shouldn't spend his money how about we listen to him and advise him on the route he chooses to take. Lots of players have started with gas and low caps and been fine. 

Ok fair enough you started out down this route and stuck with it (can’t argue with that) and there must be others who’ve also followed this way but honestly how many players have you personally met or you can 100% believe also did so over the years ? (The phrase ‘lots of’ etc etc is frequently used when there’s no real evidence to support an argument) I can’t say I’ve ever met anyone who has said so .

Now I know there hardly going to be jumping around shouting about it but in all these yrs no one ? 

BUT other side of the coin , I could tell you how many new players I've met who at there first game were absolutely adamant they were going to play and stick with X,Y&Z as there gun/role/game style/etc then at lunch time or the next game day said they hated it and wished they’d listened to everyone else’s experience ? Ultimately it’s Sean’s decision on how he wants to play , but he’s come on to a public’ish forum and basically asked for everyone’s opinion and help on his decided route in to the game and the community answer on the whole has been pretty much “don’t do it it’s a mistake !” .

 

[Sean84]

ok... chill pill time guys lol.

Ive read through all the answers you have all helped me with and im grateful!. Yes im a noob, yes i dont really understand half the shit im talking about yet, and thats where the forum comes in. I hate to be "that new guy with all the questions" but i think this particular topic is a personal choice when it comes to loadouts, guns, clothes etc so searching the forum doesnt always give the accurate answer.

Saying that, i appreciate the time you guys have taken to answer the questions. I feel as though i might just swing towards AEG. I already have my GBB pistol and can always swap it up mid game to make things interesting...

So ive just got home and i'll start looking around for an M4 AEG. 

After a few games with the M4, i'll then look towards GBB if the AEG doesnt give me the thrill factor, OR, I just want both types of rifle and use either of them in different games/scenarios...

How does that sound? Sensible?... I bloody hope so, im getting a headache... ?

 

[Asomodai]

How does that sound? Sensible?... I bloody hope so, im getting a headache... ?

Its up to you mate

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

You and the few others who decided on going the GBBr route and has worked for them are the exception and not the rule. 

It's going to be his first rifle in a sport where the majority of players use AEG's with High/Mid caps and for good reason. 40 bbs per mag vs 400 bbs per mag makes a huge difference. 

Ultimately if the OP wants an GBBR, we cannot stop him despite the large swathe of opinions saying that it is difficult to compete with an AEG even if he was an experienced Airsofter. 

We can only but advise. I have gone against the advice of many people in my pursuit of Airsoft. But in MY experience the worst mistake I have made was getting a Gas Rifle, in terms of time and money sinked into it, with no end product. The OP may have a different experience, but I think it would be prudent to get an AEG first to get the best likelihood of sticking with the sport. 

ok... chill pill time guys lol.

Ive read through all the answers you have all helped me with and im grateful!. Yes im a noob, yes i dont really understand half the shit im talking about yet, and thats where the forum comes in. I hate to be "that new guy with all the questions" but i think this particular topic is a personal choice when it comes to loadouts, guns, clothes etc so searching the forum doesnt always give the accurate answer.

Saying that, i appreciate the time you guys have taken to answer the questions. I feel as though i might just swing towards AEG. I already have my GBB pistol and can always swap it up mid game to make things interesting...

So ive just got home and i'll start looking around for an M4 AEG. 

After a few games with the M4, i'll then look towards GBB if the AEG doesnt give me the thrill factor, OR, I just want both types of rifle and use either of them in different games/scenarios...

How does that sound? Sensible?... I bloody hope so, im getting a headache... ?

I didn't go the gbbr route because when I started they were all crap but with things like the GHK G5 and TM gbbr things have changed. What I referenced always using was low caps as people were beating on about ammo restrictions.

I do know a fair few who have started out using G5s and MP7s as at the mall their were a fair few. @Asmodias your gbbr was a Tavor wasn't it? If so you can't really compare the experience of that to the better ones around now. The TM is as simple as fill with gas and use pretty much. All the old ones were a pain that needed constant maintenance but it is getting less so.

All I am saying is if the OP wants to go gas let him and let people help with that instead of just going get an AEG. For all anyone knows the guy might be the sort that gbb maintenance is easy but lets be fair to everyone they are easier to fix than an AEG.

 

[Asomodai]

 @Asmodias your gbbr was a Tavor wasn't it? If so you can't really compare the experience of that to the better ones around now. The TM is as simple as fill with gas and use pretty much. All the old ones were a pain that needed constant maintenance but it is getting less so.

The Tavor was only released last year, so technically is newer then the MWS I also stated the op may have a difference experience. 

 

[EDcase]

A starter AEG is the best option because its cheap, easy to use and will get you playing with minimal fuss.

While at a game day you'll certainly come across someone with a gbb so you can talk directly to them and probably have a go. (You'll love it no doubt)

Then if/when you get a gbb with more experience and knowledge you'll have the AEG as a backup, loaner for a friend or just sell for a new gas mag

Win win

 

[Sean84]

A starter AEG is the best option because its cheap, easy to use and will get you playing with minimal fuss.

While at a game day you'll certainly come across someone with a gbb so you can talk directly to them and probably have a go. (You'll love it no doubt)

Then if/when you get a gbb with more experience and knowledge you'll have the AEG as a backup, loaner for a friend or just sell for a new gas mag

Win win

I think that pretty much hits the nail on the head now... Although i dont want to buy something cheap. Not that i dont mind paying less, i just want full metal, reliability, and flexible with parts/accessories fitment and availability.

Im looking at the TM CQBR M4 but it is a little steep, and cant find it in stock... Any other suggestions?

 

[EDcase]

Specna Arms Edge series has had some good feedback recently (I just got one too)

No recoil but good price for full metal and shoots well out of the box.

Commonly available parts for breakages or upgrades

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

The Tavor was only released last year, so technically is newer then the MWS I also stated the op may have a difference experience. 

Feels longer but still it is a kwa so different league (still tempted to buy one though)

 

[Lozart]

Here is a novel approach for everyone.

Instead of telling him what he should or shouldn't spend his money how about we listen to him and advise him on the route he chooses to take.

Yeah...you can try but I don't think it'll catch on.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Yeah...you can try but I don't think it'll catch on.

It's like picking a fight with a tree.

Also what constitutes a starter AEG other than "ooh looks nice and yes I can afford it"?

 

[Sean84]

Specna Arms Edge series has had some good feedback recently (I just got one too)

No recoil but good price for full metal and shoots well out of the box.

Commonly available parts for breakages or upgrades

Hmm, good price but i feel like i need some realism hence wanting the recoil. I dont mind upping the price...

 

[EDcase]

If you're that set on recoil it might be worth going straight for the TM MWS

 

[Sean84]

If you're that set on recoil it might be worth going straight for an MWS

Yeah im looking at this one. Think it ticks all the boxes for an AEG for me

https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/tokyo-marui-no-08-cqb-r-black-model?pv=7865

 

[EDcase]

I mean going straight to the TM GBB.

Its not much more than the recoil shock