Looking for gun advice:

[ImTriggerHappy]

Your rough example is the first time I've ever seen realistic ranges stated in an Airsoft conversation.  Everyone thinks their gun shoots 60m, when really very very few shoot anywhere near that far. 

Most struggle at 40+ mtrs.

 

[jcheeseright]

Most struggle at 40+ mtrs.

Exactly, 40 metric metres is about 85 Airsoft metres though. 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Your rough example is the first time I've ever seen realistic ranges stated in an Airsoft conversation.  Everyone thinks their gun shoots 60m, when really very very few shoot anywhere near that far. 

Most struggle at 40+ mtrs.

Those are worked out from the spreadsheet in my science ramble thread.

Given that the calcs are assuming no drop in spin over distance and some very rough approximations of drag based on laminar flow i'd wager if anything that's an over-estimation.

Of course reaching a distance and actually hitting anything at that distance are totally different things.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Those are worked out from the spreadsheet in my science ramble thread.

Given that the calcs are assuming no drop in spin over distance and some very rough approximations of drag based on laminar flow i'd wager if anything that's an over-estimation.

Of course reaching a distance and actually hitting anything at that distance are totally different things.

 To be honest any physics calculations regarding a bb flight go out the window in the real world. Air temperature and flow are impossible to calculate for because whether wind outdoors or breezes indoors everything is unstable. A light breeze in the woods to us is a maelstrom to a bb.

 

[Ollgeeze]

Blimey. Started something off here.. Interesting debate though.

I looked at that G&G AK and looked great until I looked at some reviews. As a rule which manufacturer makes the best stock guns? I really have no idea what I should be looking at there seems to be so many manufacturers. 

 

[Asomodai]

Blimey. Started something off here.. Interesting debate though.

I looked at that G&G AK and looked great until I looked at some reviews. As a rule which manufacturer makes the best stock guns? I really have no idea what I should be looking at there seems to be so many manufacturers. 

Depends on what model you're looking for. Best for AKs are a toss up between LCT, E&L and Real Sword. All have strengths and weaknesses but they are all quality. 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

 To be honest any physics calculations regarding a bb flight go out the window in the real world. Air temperature and flow are impossible to calculate for because whether wind outdoors or breezes indoors everything is unstable. A light breeze in the woods to us is a maelstrom to a bb.

Oh for sure, there's no wind twigs or tm fairy dust in those calcations.

Its mainly for highlighting the point that energy alone isnt the be all and end all for range.

 

[GeorgePlaysAirsoft]

Blimey. Started something off here.. Interesting debate though.

I looked at that G&G AK and looked great until I looked at some reviews. As a rule which manufacturer makes the best stock guns? I really have no idea what I should be looking at there seems to be so many manufacturers. 

Straight dope is there's no best. Airsoft is great but lowering your expectations will help mitigate future frustration! Eg: i got a jg g36,popular gun often used as a rental bla bla... shoots 230fps with a .2! Oh well! TIA - this is airsoft

I'd advise you get this: it's an LCT who make good AK's, so its very solid, it's compact, and it has a RAS so you can fit grips optics lights lasers all that fun stuff:

https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/lct-tx-74un-with-m4-sliding-stock-airsoft-gun-aeg

.. now i quite want one myself!

What ever you decide, I would advise you start saving ASAP for another AEG. You really need to have 2 as a gun going down for the most part is a matter of when, not if.

 

[Rogerborg]

Its mainly for highlighting the point that energy alone isnt the be all and end all for range

Effective range, certainly. If I see anyone claiming that, I'll join in the kicking.  I'd agree, in fact I'd recommend, that any tinkering with an airsoft toy start outside the gearbox: hop unit, rubber and barrel, battery connector.

However, all that any airsoft toy does to the BB is puff, spin and point.  The last two give you accuracy, the ability to lift heavier BBs, and a flat trajectory to the end of your range, which is what you want most of the time.  Ultimately though, if we're talking the maximum possible range, then producing the maximum permissible puff is also necessary.

Eg: i got a jg g36,popular gun often used as a rental bla bla... shoots 230fps with a .2!

That ain't right. Air leak?  Is it one with an adjustable spring tension?  Have you got it wound on?

On that, I think that adjustable spring tension is the future.  You can dial in as close as you like to site limits, and keep it there.

I would advise you start saving ASAP for another AEG. You really need to have 2 as a gun going down for the most part is a matter of when, not if

So say we all.

 

[Ollgeeze]

I'd advise you get this: it's an LCT who make good AK's, so its very solid, it's compact, and it has a RAS so you can fit grips optics lights lasers all that fun stuff:

https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/lct-tx-74un-with-m4-sliding-stock-airsoft-gun-aeg

.. now i quite want one myself!

This is exactly what I'm looking for!

Cheers!

 

[GeorgePlaysAirsoft]

That ain't right. Air leak?  Is it one with an adjustable spring tension?  Have you got it wound on?

Probably - and no its just a standard TM clone. Gonna have the usual mosfet and deans done to it so will see what the tech says. TIA!!

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Effective range, certainly. If I see anyone claiming that, I'll join in the kicking.  I'd agree, in fact I'd recommend, that any tinkering with an airsoft toy start outside the gearbox: hop unit, rubber and barrel, battery connector.

However, all that any airsoft toy does to the BB is puff, spin and point.  The last two give you accuracy, the ability to lift heavier BBs, and a flat trajectory to the end of your range, which is what you want most of the time.  Ultimately though, if we're talking the maximum possible range, then producing the maximum permissible puff is also necessary.

Agreed, my general line of reccommendations goes along the lines of ammo, hop, barrel, air seals, fps

 

[Musica]

Agreed, my general line of reccommendations goes along the lines of ammo, hop, barrel, air seals, fps

The bigger the better right?

For OP if your looking at an AK comparision between a reccomendend low end ak to a mid teir ak. Spoilers they perform pretty similar just one has better externals.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

1 hour ago, Musica said:



The bigger the better right?



For OP if your looking at an AK comparision between a reccomendend low end ak to a mid teir ak. Spoilers they perform pretty similar just one has better externals.

Actually on a gas blowback or an hpa a longer barrel does lead to higher fps if its running the right settings and the pressure doesnt change.

Its why i get tetchy when i see pistols with suppressors attatched because if its hiding a longer barrel it can be very powerful indeed.