Lighter weight and compact rifle

[Iceni]

So yeah, the Aug still tempts me.

If you are serious about an AUG, It's worth pointing out a few of the flaws, Especially if you have been using an M4 platform.

BB's get into the body on mag changes. With a bit of practice on mag changes you can reduce this. There are options to shim the magwell but it's not needed if you are confident splitting the body. You split invert the body and they just shake out.

The hop unit is good, but it's also built in a different way to an M4 hop. It has to move on the screws that hold the hop to the outer. It's this sprung loaded action that help lock the upper to the lower. I cut my hop rubbers down a little and put the brass ring before the C-clip, as the brass ring in the standard position at the front of the hop unit can reduce the travel of the inner barrel/hop assembly.

Some parts are impossible to buy. Magwell feed nipples, the gearbox trigger mechanism, Motor cage, and the trigger linkage. Be extra careful if you take any of those parts off. The rest of the gearbox is standard V3 bar the air nozzle.

Some inner barrels are too thick. The inner barrel must move in the outer barrel. If you find your after market ones don't slide in without friction and stop the sprung loaded action working then you can't use it.

AUG's are noisy. Your head and ear are over the gearbox and the body of the gun acts like a resonator. You can pack the body with foam to significantly reduce this.

Mags are generally pretty cheap, I've never had a mag that didn't feed correctly even the cheapo battle axe ones. The MAG branded 170rnd mid caps are the best magazine, Good capacity, a bit more expensive but worth it.

Whilst the battery compartment is small you can fit a 7.4v 2200mAh in there (you sometimes have to doctor the dividing plate to get them to fit). I use these in mine.

https://www.componentshop.co.uk/7-4v-2200mah-35c-continuous-discharge-lipo-battery.html?___SID=U

A perfectly built AUG will still have significant wobble between the upper and lower in comparison to an M4.

You can fit a Mosfet in the gun on the inside of the dividing plate if you are clever with wire management.

 

[EDcase]

Golden Eagle is JG Works

I suspect Double Eagle are related but haven't found anything concrete on that.

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

Iceni, you are surely an Aug guru, thanks for taking the time to write that.  

Now the problem is I am not an expert with the internals of any gun.  I opened up my AK to downgrade the spring, and ended up losing a bushing.  When I took it apart again to see if it was inside the gearbox, the trigger and gears fell apart to the point where I gave up and handed it over to the site tech.

So if this is a gun that needs tender loving care, maybe it is not for me.  Not yet at least!

Golden Eagle is JG Works

I suspect Double Eagle are related but haven't found anything concrete on that.

I just found Patrolbase have double eagles in stock, they're a bit pricey compared to the twgun prices (who isn't), I'm sorely tempted!

 

[Iceni]

Double Eagle are related but haven't found anything concrete on that

 I'm Sure Negative airsoft mentioned the brand in that video of branding he did a few months ago. 1:10:04
 

Aug's typically  don't need a lot of attention, but they need the right attention. It's easy to make a good one bad by not understanding how the hop/body relationship works. Gearbox wise it's 2 screws and out very easy. You can  put in a mosfet without needing to open the gearbox, and I think most JG's now come with quick change springs. I can have a gearbox out faster than on any other platform as there is no motor, selector, or pistol grip to remove. Typical of any AEG if it shoots well enough leave it alone until it breaks.

 

[Keldon]

You also have the Ares m45-x which has changeable barrel lengths so you can go long or short. 

M45 user review on this site

 

[Asomodai]

I am a big fan of my TM Aug high cycle. It's considered one of the better of the high cycle series. It outperforms any of my other stock rifles despite the low FPS.

ROF out of box is impressive. 

It's fairly easy to take apart and work on, but I would grab some spare parts when you find them. 

I'm for the AUG if you like the look and feel of the platform. It's light in my mind and the weight in the back means it's much easier to carry then most rifles. 

Then again I like weird and wonderful and can put up with the quirks of something different. 

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

(Damnit, how do you kill off an old quote block???)

I am a big fan of my TM Aug high cycle. It's considered one of the better of the high cycle series. It outperforms any of my other stock rifles despite the low FPS

ok you've warmed me back up to the idea!  But as a heftier investment it'll maybe get pushed down the pecking order by some of the bargain m4s out there 

But that is maybe a false economy when I've already got an M16...  Arrrggh ?

 

[Druid799]

 I have had issues with people in plate carriers genuinely not feeling hits though, I wouldn't encourage them.

Totally agree , I find the kind of player that has ‘realistic’ plates in their carriers also generally wear the noise cancelling headphones so not only do they not feel the hit they can’t hear it either !

happened at Vendetta last wk , put a couple in to a player center mass he carried on when I pulled him for it he did appear genuine about not knowing , even came and apologised in the safezone . Another possible negative to being all tacticool ? 

 

[Iceni]

ok you've warmed me back up to the idea!  But as a heftier investment it'll maybe get pushed down the pecking order by some of the bargain m4s out there 

But that is maybe a false economy when I've already got an M16...  Arrrggh

This might not help at all then

Patrol base have the MAG mags for £40 for 4.

https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/patrol-base-170rd-aug-magazines-box-of-4

 

[DrAlexanderTobacco]

It's fairly easy to take apart and work on, but I would grab some spare parts when you find them.

Huge segue here, but I don't suppose you know the dimensions for the screws used to secure the rear plate, that sits behind the gearbox? I've lost both.

 

[Iceni]

Huge segue here, but I don't suppose you know the dimensions for the screws used to secure the rear plate, that sits behind the gearbox? I've lost both.

Don't bother looking for individual screws. Just get a pack of assorted sizes in stainless. You have them then for all other projects as well.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Assortment-Stainless-Hexagonal-Countersunk-Fastener/dp/B0933KXYZ4/ref=sr_1_21?crid=1M4KF2N6BH36&dchild=1&keywords=small+screws+assortment&qid=1634488363&s=diy&sr=1-21

 

[DrAlexanderTobacco]

Don't bother looking for individual screws. Just get a pack of assorted sizes in stainless. You have them then for all other projects as well.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Assortment-Stainless-Hexagonal-Countersunk-Fastener/dp/B0933KXYZ4/ref=sr_1_21?crid=1M4KF2N6BH36&dchild=1&keywords=small+screws+assortment&qid=1634488363&s=diy&sr=1-21

Legend, cheers

 

[Fatboy40]

Golden Eagle is JG Works

I suspect Double Eagle are related but haven't found anything concrete on that.

They're 100% different companies.

I went down a bit a rabbit hole recently  looking into them, and this is "Double Eagle"...

https://trademark.trademarkia.com/qap-87130106.html

... so their parent / real company is "Fujian Qing An Precision Machinery Manufacturing Co., Ltd.", with the QAP brand being big in Asia and to some degree labelled Double Eagle elsewhere. They OEM for a few other bigger name brands as well, but also make cheap nasty plastic guns for USA supermarkets which is where their bad reputation comes from.

In the UK Patrol Base is the only place to really buy the M90X's from, and the price is fair as if you add in import duty / taxes on top of the prices from TaiWanGun the costs are practically identical.

One interesting thing is that the metal bodied M906E is currently £10 cheaper at Patrol Base than the identical but polymer bodied M904E 

 

[EDcase]

Interesting thanks Fatboy40

I bet the rabbit hole becomes a warren with unofficial supply deals between them.

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

They're 100% different companies.

I went down a bit a rabbit hole recently  looking into them, and this is "Double Eagle"...

https://trademark.trademarkia.com/qap-87130106.html

... so their parent / real company is "Fujian Qing An Precision Machinery Manufacturing Co., Ltd.", with the QAP brand being big in Asia and to some degree labelled Double Eagle elsewhere. They OEM for a few other bigger name brands as well, but also make cheap nasty plastic guns for USA supermarkets which is where their bad reputation comes from.

In the UK Patrol Base is the only place to really buy the M90X's from, and the price is fair as if you add in import duty / taxes on top of the prices from TaiWanGun the costs are practically identical.

One interesting thing is that the metal bodied M906E is currently £10 cheaper at Patrol Base than the identical but polymer bodied M904E 

Cheers for that, very informative!
I actually watched part of the Negative Airsoft video linked earlier in the thread, where he said *lots* of positive things about Double Eagle (like how they haven't crossed his desk as a tech, so they're reliable, presumably)

As I started this thread asking for 'light weight' I was thinking that the M906 would be ruled out, but actually there's only a tiny weight difference.
 

The fire control system is really rather spiffy and all done with the gun, no external gubbins required - I watched a video of a chap programming an M904 for not only the burst modes but also the trigger sensitivity. 
The same video did show it connected up to a 11.1 with a really good RoF, but I see that Patrolbase says
"Please note that an 11.1v LiPo is only recommended by the manufacturer on the grounds that the replica is firing above 390FPS. As your purchase will be firing at less than this out of the box, please avoid the use of an 11.1v Battery. "  
Would ignoring that 'just' speed up wear, or is that asking for some catastrophic failure?

So yeah, liking the M906's a lot, looks like a front runner for the M4 option!

 

[Fatboy40]

@RostokMcSpoons I run my M904E with 11.1v LiPo, no problems at all, but only get to use auto at one site I go to but it's very fast and lays a hail of plastic. If you're only ever going to be on semi maybe 7.4v would be better, as if I spam the trigger on semi with an 11.1v you can feel the motor steadily getting hotter in the grip.

Be aware though that Falcon MOSFET doesn't have all the bells and whistles like pre-cocking and braking, but I like three round burst rather than full auto so I'm not burning through BB's (lots of trigger pulls though on burst is pretty much the same as full auto anyhow).

 

[Druid799]

The fire control system is really rather spiffy and all done with the gun, no external gubbins required - I watched a video of a chap programming an M904 for not only the burst modes but also the trigger sensitivity. 

The same video did show it connected up to a 11.1 with a really good RoF, but I see that Patrolbase says
"Please note that an 11.1v LiPo is only recommended by the manufacturer on the grounds that the replica is firing above 390FPS. As your purchase will be firing at less than this out of the box, please avoid the use of an 11.1v Battery. "  
Would ignoring that 'just' speed up wear, or is that asking for some catastrophic failure?

I’d say it’s a bit of a ‘6 of 1 , half a dozen of the other’ situation ? yes a 11.1v is going to have a negative effect on it BUT it’ll have a negative effect on ANY gun if you run it full auto for prolonged periods , it’s just a case of how long that damage will take to happen ? if you are predisposed to sticking a high cap in a gun and firing full auto all the time then yes I’d definitely say run it on 7.4’s and have to change your batteries regularly and even on the lower voltage be prepared for it to go tits up sometime in the near future , but if you play what I think most would consider a ‘normal’ style of play(aimed single shots with the odd use of auto)then one would think there shouldn’t be any problems with using 11.1v batteries in it should there ? 

 

[EDcase]

Personally I would advise against using an 11.1 with anything other than a blowback system.

As noted by our esteemed Druid, 11.1 will wear parts faster especially using auto.

Semi is better but if something does go out of alignment in the firing sequence, the consequences will likely be worse.

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

Thinking about it , once I get to 3 guns and a pistol, I'm going to go all Dogs Of War feel confident about having enough pew-pew kit to suffer the odd setback with a broken part.  And as I've got an on-site tech, and I've almost successfully negotiated a spring change, fixing guns doesn't feel so scary now.  (But maybe getting the spare parts is )

And also my sites' games are quite often in short-range areas where only single shot is allowed anyway, and I go for short bursts when I am in full auto.   

So 11.1 ahoy, me hearties!

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

Sorry to bump my own thread, if that's a hangable offence then ... Well please don't hang me, just tell me so, I'll take the hint.

Anyway unfortunately my game today was a bit of a disaster kit-wise.  My 'repaired' guns both died when I was dialing in the hop up on the range.  Even my pistol refused to hold gas. I ended up with a rental that wouldn't hold my m4 mags well enough to feed properly.  I was pretty gutted tbh, and on the point of going home. 

But then I swapped for a G&G Raider v1, and things picked up!  That gun is excellent. It didn't look box fresh, and one of my mags didn't work well with it (I think my original classic army metal mag), but it ran so nicely, reached a decent range, and felt so solid in the hand.  Polymer for the win.  Good stuff! 

I didn't notice the trigger being slow, but neither did I feel the gun was snappy. The RoF was... fine.   So there's some mediocrity in the mix.

The upshot is I'll definitely consider the Combat Machine guns to be a solid option, and if retail stock levels and the condition of my current guns dictate I get one, I won't be unhappy!