Just got a new uniform... LOVE IT!!!

[Greg147]

Fair enough on those points, I see that there's different ways of looking at it. For me personally though, it would be a little unsuitable (even if you forget what the uniform actually represents). While I do take pride in my gear (weapons etc), I find clothes are a little more disposable. Army surplus stuff is cheap, and I don't worry too much is a tear opens up somewhere, but if I owned a piece of ceremonial gear I wouldn't want it getting damaged. Although I do see your point on how you could easily spend just as much on combat gear such as plate carriers (that said, I'd still expect them to be more hard-wearing than something designed to be worn at parades)

The uniform itself isn't something that would offend me (although I wouldn't approve), and I wouldn't say anything if someone turned up to a skirmish in one, but as I said, there wouldn't be a particularly warm welcome from the players in general, and I'm not sure why someone would choose to invoke that reaction.

My original point wasn't that he shouldn't or couldn't wear it, I was simply questioning whether the drawbacks were worth it.

 

[jcheeseright]

He has the right to free speech (which I think we can agree this is) and you DO NOT have the right to not be offended.

I could argue that he's glorifying race hate, which while not a crime per se is cutting pretty close.

As for not having the right to be offended, of course I do, I find the wearing of that particular uniform hugely offensive and I have the RIGHT to feel anything I want. Do I have the right to force him to change his behaviour, no of course I don't. Do I have the right to think he's a massive bell-end for wearing it, and to tell him so, yes I do, especially since it's clearly a statement piece. He's not wearing it for historical accuracy (because it's not, unless he's re-enacting herding innocent people into gas chambers in auscwitz!), he's not wearing it for practicality, it's a statement; "look how edgy I am, I'm wearing the uniform of the most despicable aspect of one of the most despicable regimes ever to have existed". It's not a massive jump away from turning up to an airsoft game dressed as the Grand Dragon of the KKK, which I'm pretty sure no one would advocate.

 

[Berto]

Guys, I suggest we let this troll and his stupid uniform alone. He's probably loving all this attention, which is why he's chosen this uniform. Let's not feed his ego and just ignore him.

 

[Sacarathe]

Guys, I suggest we let this troll and his stupid uniform alone. He's probably loving all this attention, which is why he's chosen this uniform. Let's not feed his ego and just ignore him.

I 've avoided calling troll, though I just found the thread on zeroin and in the title it states "first time on airsoft forums...." - A blatant lie, he's been here since July. Love the way no one responded to his use of "etc" over there.

His lack of follow up makes it feel like we're in a Petri-dish for his entertainment.

The only mystery is why there is zero effort to obfuscate his identity.

 

[n1ckh]

Simple fact is, this guy wants to go like that a skirmish is upto him, he's the one who has to deal with what's going to happen, he's the one who has to deal with the aftermath of his actions, he's the one who may not be welcome at any sites after that

So fact is, if he's not that bothered about wearing it then why raise it ?? Personally I think it's bad taste outside of 're-enactment but what has really pissed me the Fuck off is his blatant disrespect for what today is throughout this country

We are reminded of all attrocities through out the world everyday but today is where we remember everyone who has died in all conflicts & not the murder of millions of people because of one mans racial hatred of a religion

I say go for it you moron because plenty people will put you in your place & 're-educate you

 

[n1ckh]

I was reading some of the zero one replys & as I said to my mate

"While German sciences have benefited this world (rockets for a start). My grandad & other relatives served during ww1, he was a fire fighter during ww2, my dad was born in 1938 & lived while those German sciences were raining down & killing people, while U boats were sinking ships, while they were comiting genocide"

 

[Randymanpipe]

I wouldn't be surprised if he finds himself taking more face shots than usual at his next outing, can imagine the safety briefing now ''please try and aim for centre mass rather than head shots, unless your the plank dressed in the Waffen-SS uniform. Feel free to shoot him in the Ears & index fingers.''

To me it stinks of bad taste, but then so do all the fake twitter accounts of Hitler etc that post jokes that people share on and think are funny. I'm sure if he's actually brave/stupid enough to skirmish it he will grow tired of the negative/abuse it attracts and will ditch it to become 'the knob who wore the ss uniform'

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

I was reading some of the zero one replys & as I said to my mate

"While German sciences have benefited this world (rockets for a start). My grandad & other relatives served during ww1, he was a fire fighter during ww2, my dad was born in 1938 & lived while those German sciences were raining down & killing people, while U boats were sinking ships, while they were comiting genocide"

And then America dropped the atom bomb on Japan and European and Russian soldiers pillaged and raped.Everyone seems to forget that war crimes and atrocities were committed by all sides even us stiff upper lip brits.

Its all point of view. I wouldnt wear it and dont quite get why anyone would.

But its his choice its not really harming anyone so no real issue either.

 

[beastmode]

In my opinion I don't think there's anything worse you could possibly wear. To the people comparing other atrocities throughout time by various countries. None of it can compare to what the nazis did.

 

[Randymanpipe]

I guess another angle is the possibility of there being any Jewish or German airsofters on site at the time? This would surely heat things up. I'm wondering what the legality of it is?

 

[beastmode]

I've also just seen this kid lives not to far from me so in the likelihood of bumping into him at a skirmish it would be interesting to see what the reactions will be.

 

[shortman]

Id say he is a troll trying to get reactions based on the fact he hasnt replied on here, he has opened a simlar thread on zeroin, and also he has posted it on remberance sunday. Im not offended by most things these days. But that in itself is a mark of disrespect as this day is for remvering all who have died on all sides in all conflicts. This tgread stater is a twat for all his intentions to stir up reactions and for his poor taste in timing.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

In my opinion I don't think there's anything worse you could possibly wear. To the people comparing other atrocities throughout time by various countries. None of it can compare to what the nazis did.

What about Stalin?
People seem to forget about him and the fact that Russia and Germany were allies at the start of WW2. They jointly invaded poland and Stalin backed Hitlers policies. It was only because Germany turned on them and invaded that Russia joined the allies.

Stalin killed more people than Hitler but there are plenty of people with Russian WW2 loadouts and nobody says a word.

Not saying Hitler and a lot of the SS shouldn't be burning in hell but lets have some consistency.

 

[AirsoftTed]

Apples and oranges. A poor farmer boy conscripted into the soviet army VS a die hard Nazi fanatic in charge of concentration camps (directly so, not by nation affiliation )

 

[n1ckh]

What about Stalin?

People seem to forget about him and the fact that Russia and Germany were allies at the start of WW2. They jointly invaded poland and Stalin backed Hitlers policies. It was only because Germany turned on them and invaded that Russia joined the allies.

Stalin killed more people than Hitler but there are plenty of people with Russian WW2 loadouts and nobody says a word.

Not saying Hitler and a lot of the SS shouldn't be burning in hell but lets have some consistency.

Stalin was different, he didn't pack them into trains to concentration camps or forced labour camps, he sent them to the front to face the enemy or into prison, Russians who were shot by there own officers would be classed as desertion which was still in use by the British, Russians weren't humiliated before the start of war, Russians didn't have there jobs taken away
Hitler lied about where the Jews were going, they were told to strip, go into gas chambers where they thought they were being cleaned instead they were gassed, Labour camps where they were worked to death with no food, water, sanitation etc

Jews were humiliated & persecuted evrn though many of them were German nationals from birth, all because some Austrian corporal who wasn't even German still felt the effects of the Warsaw pact, the armistice & the treaty of Versailles, he believed Jews were worse than animals

 

[Jedi_Master]

Have you not heard of the Gulag? It was a forced labour prison camp, effectively a concentration camp, where very few survived the harshest of conditions. Stalin had them packed into trains and shipped off across the Soviet Union. Purges and liquidation of anyone deemed a threat to the State or counter-revolutionary. Less well documented, covered up by Western apologists' supporting socialism, and something the majority of the people in USSR knew nothing about - which explains Stalin's reputation and status.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Stalin was different, he didn't pack them into trains to concentration camps or forced labour camps, he sent them to the front to face the enemy or into prison, Russians who were shot by there own officers would be classed as desertion which was still in use by the British, Russians weren't humiliated before the start of war, Russians didn't have there jobs taken away

Hitler lied about where the Jews were going, they were told to strip, go into gas chambers where they thought they were being cleaned instead they were gassed, Labour camps where they were worked to death with no food, water, sanitation etc

Jews were humiliated & persecuted evrn though many of them were German nationals from birth, all because some Austrian corporal who wasn't even German still felt the effects of the Warsaw pact, the armistice & the treaty of Versailles, he believed Jews were worse than animals

Totally agree Hitler was a sick individual. So were a lot of the SS but there is also the case of indoctrination.As the saying goes you dont blame the dog that bites, you blame the owner.

Google SS indoctrination, interesting reading.

As for Stalin

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

Different methods same sick results.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Apples and oranges. A poor farmer boy conscripted into the soviet army VS a die hard Nazi fanatic in charge of concentration camps (directly so, not by nation affiliation )

Its never that simple.

 

[n1ckh]

Ok trig, I stand corrected mate about Stalin

But either way, the OP was wrong by posting the photo today

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Ok trig, I stand corrected mate about Stalin

But either way, the OP was wrong by posting the photo today

Not saying hes not a total tw*t. I personally think he is.Just pointing out the history of the SS is very skewed. Not all SS members were psychos, a lot were brainwashed and bullied into it. Read up on the the accounts of people who were there, high levels of alcholism and suicide. The SS left behind a lot of victims in its own ranks.

No one can ever forgive the crimes of the organisation but maybe some of its members deserve if not forgiveness then maybe understanding. It was a sh*t time for everybody, except the winners historians who got to right the stories.