Just-Cos …. The insurance policy

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There is a shout out deserved by the bobbies involved 

Based on the date and proximity, the idiot will have been on his way to London AnimeCon at the Novotel, which would be a 45-50 minute walk from Chelsea & Westminster Hospital as referenced in the call, and Fulham Broadway not being on the shortest direct walk about 15 minutes from the hospital 

That 15 minutes has to have time deducted for the caller to have seen, mulled it over, thought that it’s not a real threat, but it does need to be reported - then call in, and for the control room to despatch, put the call out, CCTV to find and track etc 

They are not an armed response team, so unlikely to have been directed by CCTV (but may have had updates on the radio)

With the match day they may have been crowd control, and acted either on other reports such as football fans telling them “there is a bloke with a gun over there” or just on sight themselves 

Perhaps also working on the principle that it looks like a dickhead dressed up, but still in need of controlling the firearm fast

They put me in mind of the armed response officers body cam footage when he chose not to shoot when called to respond and a teen pulled an airsoft / BB pistol from his waist band and pointed it in the face of the police officer - with his brain fighting over “danger shoot now / it’s a kid”

https://winter.londonanimecon.com

 
Bnjemann said:
If it means anything my personal opinion is anyone over 18 with no ill intentions should be allowed to purchase whatever imitation firearms they want, realistic or not, and that misuse potential isn’t going to cut it when criminals can just buy an air pistol if they want a realistic imitation for the rob, or do what people are doing in reality and just using literally any form of improvised handheld weapon.
 

That being said, this guys not over 18 and he spray painted them, which he had a reason to do I guess, it’s just he’s not an adult and therefor as far as I’m led to believe, this prevents him from being allowed to. 
 

This is the second instance this year of someone choosing the worst possible method of transporting their RIFs to a comic convention, just like the geezer earlier in the year who put the “special” in his special forces LARP by entering a crowded train in ready stance. That being said that guy was arguably worse.

Very unfortunate and incidents like this will have the middle class 30-65 year old virtue signalling crowd demanding we legislate further to prevent incidents like this instead of tackling actual violent crime.
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A few issues with the argument.

Intention is one thing but the effect is also significant. We don't live in an ideal world and it's not a secret that criminals want to reduce their paper trail and would employ a proxy to acquire an imitation firearm.

The kid's age doesn't prevent him from being allowed spray paint the gun he had - whatever you've been "led to believe" was misleading or you've misinterpreted it. It is illegal for anyone, whether they're above or below the age of majority, to modify an imitation firearm to look realistic unless they have a defence to do so. I'm not sure anyone has been prosecuted for the offence but being a minor is not a factor.

The restrictions on airsoft guns came from the Violent Crime Reduction Act, not the Violent Crime Prevention/Eradication Act. UKARA as a self-regulated system could definitely do with reform but to imply that it doesn't have any impact on reducing the misuse of imitation firearms needs evidence to back it up. Also, it's worth bearing in mind the point about air pistols is irrelevant because air guns were not (and still aren't) under the same remit as airsoft when the VCRA was proposed. Air guns had significant protection by political lobbyists who had ties to shooting clubs.  Airsoft had no such protection and airsoft RIFs would have been made banned outright had it not been for the government agreeing to a compromise with the UK airsoft industry regulating itself in terms of who can buy.

Airsoft will face further restrictions long before it happens to air pistols or air rifles.

 
Airsoft will face further restrictions long before it happens to air pistols or air rifles.
 

Not sure I agree with this statement. As I remember it was a Labour Government that was going to ban airsoft. At the time before the compromise of self regulation was agreed the owners of airsoft guns were told you can keep what you have but can’t buy anymore. I don’t remember if they had planned to actually ban the sport of airsoft. Does anyone remember.

In Scotland all airguns are now licensed, with practically all the same requirements as FAC guns. Airsoft guns are considered toys I believe and are not included. 
I think airguns might be licensed in England & Wales, the only thing putting off any government is the numbers involved, approx 6 million airguns in circulation according to police figures. At the moment the licensing system can’t cope in many areas, with renewals and grants taking months and extensions being given as a matter of course. Some areas are taking more than a year before they even visit for a grant.

I have no idea how many airsoft guns are in circulation, a lot I would think. 
And unlike bans on blank firers where the government can get away without paying compensation as they are claiming they can be converted to fire live rounds, any ban on airsoft would require compensation to be paid. 

 
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novioman said:
Airsoft will face further restrictions long before it happens to air pistols or air rifles.
 

Not sure I agree with this statement. As I remember it was a Labour Government that was going to ban airsoft. At the time before the compromise of self regulation was agreed the owners of airsoft guns were told you can keep what you have but can’t buy anymore. I don’t remember if they had planned to actually ban the sport of airsoft. Does anyone remember.
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I didn't say the sport of airsoft would have been banned. I said airsoft RIFs would have been banned under VCRA though I should have clarified the sale of them.

Indeed it was a Labour government but that's an oversimplication given that policy under Starmer differs significantly from that under Blair at the time.

 
I don't have anything major to add or life changing, but I know a mate who used JUSTCOS. He did also have UKARA at the time but did it just to see if it works and Airsoft World and Fire Support (as far as I know) take it.

 
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I don't have anything major to add or life changing, but I know a mate who used JUSTCOS. He did also have UKARA at the time but did it just to see if it works and Airsoft World and Fire Support (as far as I know) take it.
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In that sense ‘it works’

Anything works if the seller accepts it

Another retailer as above (no longer trading) had a tick box for buyers to declare their intent to play airsoft at insured sites - at least that related to the actual defence of playing airsoft 

There is no legal requirement that defines how a defence qualifies (the UKARA is in line with the proposals that the airsoft industry raised during VCR bill

consultation, though airsoft never made it into the VCRA itself but as an add on via Statutory Instrument - it is up to the seller to satisfy themself in a manner that they would be happy with if they were ever subject to a VCRA prosecution 

Those behind JustCos have actually produced prosecution evidence themselves

 
It may come as a shock to some, the amount of retailers who accept this. Patrol Base being one of them. 

 
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It may come as a shock to some, the amount of retailers who accept this. Patrol Base being one of them. 
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That’s interesting if Patrol base are accepting it, last I checked they didn’t even accept sportsman’s association membership… even though they actually insure you to use replica guns for purposes specifically defined in the VCRA…

 
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Guys, as per the other just-cos thread, gonna lock this one too, the general consensus on the forum is that just-cos is a piss poor defence with very little legal substance, & most of those members that support it are not committed airsofters, which is fine for them i guess, but when the poop hits the fan due to misuse of a rif, bought using just-cos, its the legitimate airsofters that will suffer long term.

So promoting it in any form, or listing retailers that now accept it, won't be shown here, for the reasons ive mentioned. 

 
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