Jing Gong Jg080 (Sig550)

[Skara]

Ok since it's taking you a little too long to respond I'll answer this.

Sorry mate, I have an actual job so I can't spend my whole life on forums arguing about age old topics like barrel length.

It's physics, a 1J bb coming out of a 100mm barrel will have the same properties of a 1J bb coming out of a 1 metre barrel.

Given the same energy output, given the same pressure applied to the hop rubber, given the same hop rubber, two bbs fired from different barrels will have the same range and consistency.

Did you make sure that both the CM16 and FireHawk had the same charateristics? Same muzzle energy? same hop up chambers, rubbers and barrel diametre and finish? Same bb weight? Same amount of pressure from the hop arm?

If not, ding dong your example is wrong

It's like comparing a VW Golf with a Fiat Panda.

 

[Speedbird_666]

Not sure why you're bringing 2 separate raider models into this equation now with very little difference . But hey.

Because G&G don't produce a Raider with a 368mm inner barrel. I was enjoying being pedantic.

I would like to know the chronograph readings for both guns. You own a chronograph don't you? I'm sure someone with your depth of wisdom and experience would have one in their kit bag...

Actually, I don't care. Nothing we say will ever convince you.

 

[Mr. No_Face]

Sorry mate, I have an actual job so I can't spend my whole life on forums arguing about age old topics like barrel length.

It's physics, a 1J bb coming out of a 100mm barrel will have the same properties of a 1J bb coming out of a 1 metre barrel.

Given the same energy output, given the same pressure applied to the hop rubber, given the same hop rubber, two bbs fired from different barrels will have the same range and consistency.

Did you make sure that both the CM16 and FireHawk had the same charateristics? Same muzzle energy? same hop up chambers, rubbers and barrel diametre and finish? Same bb weight? Same amount of pressure from the hop arm?

If not, ding dong your example is wrong

It's like comparing a VW Golf with a Fiat Panda.

Ah the infamous "I have a job excuse" When you were here commenting and roaming long afterwards. Cool Story Bro

"Did you make sure that both the CM16 and FireHawk had the same charateristics? Same muzzle energy? same hop up chambers, rubbers and barrel diametre and finish? Same bb weight? Same amount of pressure from the hop arm?"

He says.

- Stock CM Raider internals and stock CM Firehawk internals at the time.

- Same 0.25 bbs

Ding dong. 

Because G&G don't produce a Raider with a 368mm inner barrel. I was enjoying being pedantic.

I would like to know the chronograph readings for both guns. You own a chronograph don't you? I'm sure someone with your depth of wisdom and experience would have one in their kit bag...

Actually, I don't care. Nothing we say will ever convince you.

You can take that up with the sources and also..... So you referenced other models with very little to no difference in some deluded attempt at a point? 

Convince me of what exactly. Do you even understand what;s happening here or what point I am making. Convince me of what exactly? 

 

[Skara]

Same energy output? Same hop pressure applied? Same RPM imparted to the bb from rubbing against the rubber?

Mate, seriously.

Let's assume those two guns have the exact same gearbox inside, essentially the firehawk will come out at a much lower energy output due to the shorter barrel, which automatically voids your example  again, can't compare a Golf with a Panda, two different cars even though they both have 4 wheels made of rubbery material and an engine.

Did you chrono both guns? were they within 5/10 fps from each other? if not, guess what, your example is wrong

Ah the infamous "I have a job excuse" When you were here commenting and roaming long afterwards. Cool Story Bro

Well yes, some of us do contribute to society instead of trying to be clever on forums 

 

[Mr. No_Face]

Same energy output? Same hop pressure applied? Same RPM imparted to the bb from rubbing against the rubber?

Mate, seriously.

The semantics are getting boring. So let's cut this story short here's what you're saying to me right now based on your argument.

A fire hawk with a miniscule barrel of 120mm, stock internals should offer the same or similar range to it's Larger counterpart CM Raider (stock internals) with a barrel x3 the length? Consistent Chrono readings within the same ball park on both parties. The results should be the same?

Is that the argument here?

 

[Skara]

The results should be the same?

Is that the argument here?

The argument is that a bb gets his range mostly from the energy it's being pushed at and the RPM given by rubbing against the hop rubber's surface (lift).

To counter those two forces Mother Nature gave us gravity (counters lift) and air resistance (which counters the bb's energy and includes factors like temperature, wind, humidity for the sake of keeping it simple).

Tell me where barrel length sits in this equation

 

[Druid799]

even 2 nominally identical guns taken sequentially from the production line will not perform the same right?

Most definitely this , when you come down to it I do believe TM are still about the only airsoft producer you can really expect two same model and run guns to side by side perform equally , if anything simply due to the manufacturing standards they enforce . I would think the biggest mechanical variable affecting uniformity is the fact the BB is traveling down an oversized smooth bore tube so no two BBs will have the same journey down it . So once you chuck questionable QC in to the pot as well ? ?

 

[Mr. No_Face]

The argument is that a bb gets his range mostly from the energy it's being pushed at and the RPM given by rubbing against the hop rubber's surface (lift).

To counter those two forces Mother Nature gave us gravity (counters lift) and air resistance (which counters the bb's energy and includes factors like temperature, wind, humidity for the sake of keeping it simple).

Tell me where barrel length sits in this equation

So that's a yes judging from this response. The sooner an object is propelled from a tunnelling system the sooner gravity will take affect of it.
A longer funnelling system, tube allows time to generate uninterrupted momentum and exit velocity. This does NOT account for instances where the length is long enough to impair this hence there is no real difference when it pertains to traditional length  M4s and DMRs in airsoft unless hop and other integral parts are considered

 

[DrAlexanderTobacco]

Hi folks. I Fancy getting a longer rifle for more range and something a bit different to the plethora of M4s out there within my budget of £150... have had my eye on the JG 550 for a while as I like the styling (vaguely futuristic but still traditional, without the plethora of rails, fancy guards etc that I'm not fussed about) and the price is right.

Has anyone had any experience with them, are they any good?

Cheers

Eezer (formerly 125cc)

Not sure what the other chaps here are wanking themselves silly over but grab the JG 550 - I don't have experience with the 550 itself but JG generally make "OK to Good" RIFs in the sense that they work, QC is good, and internals are durable. Can't go wrong imo.

 

[Mr. No_Face]

@Skara You there? lol. Was that true or False?

EDIT: Skara is taking his sweet time trying to research physics and construct his next response.

But who knows he could be at "work" and contributing to society like last time.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

@Skara You there? lol. Was that true or False?

EDIT: Skara is taking his sweet time trying to research physics and construct his next response.

But who knows he could be at "work" and contributing to society like last time.

given this is the level of conversation you're putting forward can't say i blame him for not wanting to respond......

 

[Mr. No_Face]

given this is the level of conversation you're putting forward can't say i blame him for not wanting to respond......

"Level" of conversation as in being a bit Dickish? He was being one too. Takes 2 to tango. 

 

[GenuineGerman]

"Level" of conversation as in being a bit Dickish? He was being one too. Takes 2 to tango. 

Honestly why can’t people just agree to disagree. I’m not singling you out and I respect if you have a different opinion but this is just going around in circles. All that’s going to happen here is people are going to fall out over barrel lengths. Really? 

 

[Mr. No_Face]

Honestly why can’t people just agree to disagree. I’m not singling you out and I respect if you have a different opinion but this is just going around in circles. All that’s going to happen here is people are going to fall out over barrel lengths. Really? 

The hilarious part is that Nobody was wrong up until the CM raider vs The CM FireHawk portion of this debate. Extreme circumstances where the difference in millimetres is an actual factor in range.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

All that’s going to happen here is people are going to fall out over barrel lengths. Really? 

eh, i've fallen out with people for dumber stuff

 

[DrAlexanderTobacco]

Honestly why can’t people just agree to disagree. I’m not singling you out and I respect if you have a different opinion but this is just going around in circles. All that’s going to happen here is people are going to fall out over barrel lengths. Really? 

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Did it weeks ago.

 

[Mr. No_Face]

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Did it weeks ago.

Oof! Mah feelins.........I'll miss our interactions.

After all I did "learn" so much?

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[DerDer]

Quite a generic point but will make it anyway. If you're used to shorter guns be careful and conscious of the added length of the sig in the first few games. Can be very annoying to smack your new AEG against a tree/doorway/etc. on the first day you are running it. 

 

[Tackle]

"Level" of conversation as in being a bit Dickish? He was being one too. Takes 2 to tango. 

& You always seem to be one of the "dance" partners ?

 

[Mr. No_Face]

& You always seem to be one of the "dance" partners ?

Along with the same characters in the same ol story.