Insane ROF M4

[HubicPair]

Port the piston, shim the gears properly, correct the AOE, convert it to deans, use a Lipo, polish the inside of the cylinder, install a spring guide and cylinder head with bearings.. Should help increase the ROF.

Thank you!

 

[Sitting Duck]

ultra long barrel is out the window for a start

DSG's can only provide enough volume of air for about 275mm

(tbh I'd say 250 that is why most dsg's are either ak74 G36c or short M4's)

DSG's are really for poops n giggles project - they really ain't used that much in UK

I feel we don't have to inflate our ego's or rof as much as some others.....

plus I don't wanna be know as that w@nker

(I'm known as some w@nker but not THAT w@nker)

If you go down the short stroking route I'd say ya barrel max is gonna be 400mm ish

tbh keep it at 365mm M4 size that should allow you to SS 4 teeth

if most of the above makes little sense - google some tutorials up

http://www.airsoftsociety.com/forums/f10/legacys-guide-building-high-speed-aeg-87504/

BUT KNOW THIS - your gun will crap out quicker

your mags probably won't feed very well at 30+rps

and you will be called a dick if you spray n pray or light people up with overkill

Many on here go down the more sensible route on getting into 20's

21rps on stock gears up to say 29rps on 12:1 gears but there is more work to be done with higher speed even high 20's

The best players often just use semi only having a slightly faster gun only for trigger response than actual high rof on auto

watch a good player at work and see how they often switch to pistol - gas blowback but nigh on most are single shot only

as they switch to pistol they glide and really is an awsome sight site to watch from the dead zone

it is the PLAYER - not the gun that wins the game

I have broke loads taking the pi$$ and learnt a lot - still learning

so the last thing I'd advise anybody to do is simply go nutz

unless you really like seeing the errors of bad teching and simply just taking the pi$$ too much

ease up - tweak a stock gun to 20 to 25 and it will last, your mags should feed ok and you won't look like a w@nker

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Never understood why anybody wants high rof.

I have a dsg set up box that pushes 40 but never comes out of semi.

Generally I run 19 to 22 rps and thats plenty, but who really uses full auto unless its a support weapon?

I reasonable trigger response and the ability to hit your target and read the game is more important.

 

[cropzy]

An A10-Warthog should be in the sky, not in a RIF.

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

 

[Lozart]

I fully understand anyone that justifies doing something with "because I can".

High RoF guns are usually the by product of trying to achieve good trigger resonse but to me, honestly I don't see the point. If you think that suppressive fire has to be loads of shots on target at as high a rate as possible then you're just plain wrong (the sustained rate of fire on an M249 is only 100rpm for example). It's about being able to sustain a rate of fire that stops the target from firing back - if you have such a high RoF on your airsoft gun that you're going to spunk through all your ammo in no time flat then you've kind of missed the point really. 60 rpm is plenty to suppress a target if you can land shots on target reliably!

That said my biggest issue with high Rof monsters isn't the guns, it's the dickheads that usually use them. I know it's a sweeping generalisation but I'd say 99 times out of a hundred whenever I've faced someone with a high RoF gun they've been trigger happy, overkilling, team killing non-hit taking idiots.

 

[BBrotherwood]

I can confirm, getting shot by a trigger happy tit with a high ROF weapon ****** hurts.

 

[Alex34]

There is nothing wrong with the ROF we currently have in airsoft. If you don't dress properly for airsoft you cannot really complain about being shot on auto. If some wants 35rps so what, let them have fun. This is not the military FFS and even if it was, are you gonna complain that your enemy has high rof assualt rifles while you're on semi??? WTF?

I could care less what rof anyone uses because I dress properly for airsoft. Overkill can be done using both semi and auto. Man up you little girls. Let people have their fun.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Overkill can be done using both semi and auto. Man up you little girls. Let people have their fun.

You have a point but I have to agree with loz on this. A lot of people who want high rof do it for the overkill effect. Only last week waiting for chrono I had to listen to some lad laughing to his mate about how he wanted to rip into someone with his 35rps gun. That's someone who gets enjoyment out of hurting someone, that's not airsoft thats being a twat. I regularly run into groups of people knowing I am going to take 30 or 40 hits from multiple directions and dont care but everytime I get overshot by one of those idiots I have to fight back the urge to bitch slap them.

 

[Alex34]

You have a point but I have to agree with loz on this. A lot of people who want high rof do it for the overkill effect. Only last week waiting for chrono I had to listen to some lad laughing to his mate about how he wanted to rip into someone with his 35rps gun. That's someone who gets enjoyment out of hurting someone, that's not airsoft thats being a tw*t.

I regularly run into groups of people knowing I am going to take 30 or 40 hits from multiple directions and dont care but everytime I get overshot by one of those idiots I have to fight back the urge to bitch slap them.

You and me both mate but unfortunately this world is full of tw@ts. Limiting rof and auto use won't make them any less tw@tish... they will just overkill you a little slower

 

[Randymanpipe]

Surely the best thing for suppressing is normal ROF as your ammo/battery lasts longer and costs you less money in bb's? What's the point in shooting faster? I don't get the point?

 

[Mos]

If someone chooses to have a 35RPS gun to deliberately cause pain to a player. How is it different if someone has a 35RPS gun, and doesn't want to hurt someone, but does hurt someone.

The result is the same.

 

[BBrotherwood]

There is nothing wrong with the ROF we currently have in airsoft. If you don't dress properly for airsoft you cannot really complain about being shot on auto. If some wants 35rps so what, let them have fun. This is not the military FFS and even if it was, are you gonna complain that your enemy has high rof assualt rifles while you're on semi??? WTF?

I could care less what rof anyone uses because I dress properly for airsoft. Overkill can be done using both semi and auto. Man up you little girls. Let people have their fun.

Getting shot across the back of the knee caps from 10 metres by a half second burst while 'dressed properly' was a lovely pleasant experience that left me limping for the rest of the day... Dressing properly is not the problem its the fact that people are twats and aim for stupid places and hold the trigger down on something that shoots an unnecessary amount of bbs. I don't play the game to get shot to pieces.

 

[Twice19]

HubicPair,

Don't bother with spending out to upgrade the internals.

Put in a high speed motor and the biggest (voltage) LiPo you can find.

It will only fire once, but when it does it will probably be fun.

Then explode.

Seriously though, I've never had the need for uber-high ROF. I'm a pretty poor shot at the best it times so I need to save my ammo!

 

[Alex34]

If someone chooses to have a 35RPS gun to deliberately cause pain to a player. How is it different if someone has a 35RPS gun, and doesn't want to hurt someone, but does hurt someone.

The result is the same.

Do you really think a 35rps aeg is going hurt someome that much more than any other aeg??? Really? Are you playing in your underwear or has someone priviously abused you with a TM High Cycle?

Have you ever played paintball?

 

[BrightCandle]

I can't justify going much above 25 rps, its well into the realm of amazing trigger response and frankly ought to be the limit. I think this is going to be one of those growing areas of concern over the years and eventually sites are going to start to choose a maximum RPS around this sort of number, which is still 2x that of most real weapons.

 

[Alex34]

Getting shot across the back of the knee caps from 10 metres by a half second burst while 'dressed properly' was a lovely pleasant experience that left me limping for the rest of the day... Dressing properly is not the problem its the fact that people are twats and aim for stupid places and hold the trigger down on something that shoots an unnecessary amount of bbs. I don't play the game to get shot to pieces.

And me shooting you across the back of your knee caps as fast as I possibly can in semi-auto is going hurt that much less? I haven't been playing airsoft long but long enough to know that marksmanship is never a strong suit for skirmishers. Assault rifles were never designed to be used by people wearing mesh masks and googles... accuracy will not be at it's best.
High FPS is harmful. Shooting someone at point blank range is harmful.

Let me shoot you twice with a 400FPS DMR then a shot burst with a TM high cycle and you tell which one hurts more.

 

[Mos]

Look, I don't think you get my point. I think an overkill ROF is unnecessary. People were saying that other people use high ROF guns to inflict pain, I was saying that if someone had the same gun as the person who wants to inflict pain with high ROF, and said person who doesn't deliberately inflict pain, inflicted pain, it's still inflicting pain, which is the same as the person who wants to inflict pain.

Which is where some people think there should be a ROF limit, regardless of wether you want to inflict pain (which is bang out of order anyway) or inflict pain without wanting too.

Airsoft isn't meant to be aggressive, not in my eyes anyways, if you play airsoft to hurt people, you need to check yourself.

Being hurt comes along with airsoft. Being young (under 16) I take pain differently to people older than me, if I get shot at close range, I may say "owch", older people might just say "owch" in their head. But you do feel pain. I have seen some people say "I don't feel pain" to try and act hard, well you do feel pain ffs, so telling someone to man up is more of a vague phrase, if you scream like a baby for being shot, then maybe it's true, you should 'man up a bit', but come on, being shot by 35 BBs in a second WILL hurt, wether you say it does or not.

otherwise, whatevs.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

To be fair the most painful hit I have ever had was a single bb.

It broke my little finger and it was sub 340fps because that was at the mall.

 

[PT247]

Do you really think a 35rps aeg is going hurt someome that much more than any other aeg??? Really? Are you playing in your underwear or has someone priviously abused you with a TM High Cycle?

Have you ever played paintball?

If I get shot by one aimed BB it'll sting, but is fair. If I get shot by 10+ BBs in close proximity to the same spot, guess what? YES it bloody well will hurt more..... in fact strangely enough 10+ x more than the single BB. Maybe you could do an experiment on yourself!

 

[PT247]

where I play people are encouraged to only fire short controlled bursts in full auto, max 2 seconds (although some seem to not know how to count), if that was from a 35rps gun that would be 70 BBs, if they were a good shot, that would be 70 BBs on target..... would you happily take that to the face? What if one of the first 10 or so BBs dislodged the victims eyepro? that then allows 60 BBs to hit someone in the face with no eyepro, you see where I'm coming from now??? HIGH ROF GUNS ARE DANGEROUS.